Is every contract exactly the same thing? Do contractors who design or build a project use the same exact contract that professional athletes use? How about a hitman? Does he use the same exact contract as a professional coach does?
No!
There are a variety of different types of contracts just like there are a variety of different things they are used for. How is that not totally easy to understand?
In thirty five+ years of business we were sued one time. So was a prominent member in our stake who built the wall and is now retired. He had a very good reputation for quality work. It was a seawall project down in Malibu and they had some minor spalling on top of their wall. There were no structural issues, it was only cosmetic and something that happens to EVERY seawall out there. We won the case because the HOA were a bunch of knucklehead rich people that didnât know anything about seawalls and the effects of salt water and waves. Unfortunately the judge said we werenât allowed to collect on our legal fees, even though we won, becauseâŚ
our contract was too broad and not specific enough with regards to attorney fees. It was nonsense.
In hindsight we should have settled before going to court but we knew we were right and didnât want to concede. It ended up costing us more money than if we had settled. Totally bogus and involved a âcontractâ that was completely legal and clear except that a judge had a different interpretation of the language of the contract.
You had insurance for this? No?
If the coaching contracts are like this then they really arenât contracts. They are more of a wink-wink deal. BYU now is losing out as we are losing key players. Can a new coach keep the key players left and get more from the portal? See, itâs really a moral thing to me. It was complete personal greed after putting everyone in a good feeling about next year and then gone. If BYU offered what Lamier said, then Iâm saddened by Popeâs constant lying about what he thought of Cougar Nation. Big12 and doing so well and thenâŚI feel like Hall was just all mouth now when he was talking about how great BYU is and how great he loved playing and going to school at BYU.
Just vetting like many areâŚ
Pope when hired by BYU: âok Iâll take the job but if UK ever offers me, Iâm outta here.â
Holmoe: âOk.â
Done deal.
OR
Even without such a clause, any coach can quit anytime he or she wantsâusually triggering a pre-negotiated buyout clause. So even if Pope HAD a buyout clause, his new employer could pay it. This has NOTHING to do with greed. This is simply a good guy who is good at his job getting his dream job.
And who cares what any of the players say to the media? They love their current team until a better deal comes along. Thatâs D1 football and basketball nowâESPECIALLY basketball. BYU is either going to decide to spend the money to buy the best coaches and players, or BYU is going to be a perpetual bottom dweller in the B12.
I donât think if the BOT had approved a record coachâs salary to keep Pope here â I donât think Pope would have stayed. Kentucky was always his dream job, and BYU was a stepping stone to that.
I think KU is going to have buyerâs remorse. I donât think Pope is that good of a coach.
Do you think another coach could have done better with the team BYU had this past season?
What do you mean by âthat goodâ? Like there are much better coaches out there or that he just isnât a very good coach?
I donât think he is great but I donât think there are many great coaches period. I think he is a good coach who has room for improvement. I also think he got more out of BYU this past season than anyone could have expected or imagined. That is one of the reasons he is at Kentucky now.
I kind of disagree with your last comment for a few different reasons.
Pope did most of the right things this past season starting in the offseason in Europe. The team bonded and it made a huge difference in the preseason. It carried over to the season in the Big12 enough to end up in the top part of the league. BYU was picked to end up at the bottom of the league. Pope obviously had something to do with that. But, the players were responsible for making it happen as a team which included Knell. Hall and Khalifa simply donât understand that. Both will end up trying to make a high profile team like Kentucky which already have better players. They will end up being more like Lohner if they donât come back.
He doesnât win big games. He didnât recruit while at BYU; he just pulled in new waves of transfer portal retreads. Granted, in this day, itâs all but impossible to get recruits out of high school to stay without transferring, so itâs hard to be a good ârecruiterâ whose recruits out of high school stay and build something special. But, Pope didnât even try â it was just all transfer portal, all the time.
Another thing that bothered me about him was that he didnât adjust. If the volume 3 point shot game wasnât working (which is going to happen), he lived and died with it. If weâre getting mauled inside with no fouls called (which you can set your watch to), no adjustment to that reality on the ground.
Rose didnât pretend to play defense and only played six guys, so I think Pope was an improvement over Rose (especially later in Roseâs tenure).
If BYU offered Pope a record contract, biggest in history, anywhere, do you think he would have stayed here, or gone to Kentucky? We all know the answer to that. He always wanted the KU job, and BYU was leftover scraps to him. He didnât even choose to go here (like Chris Burgess, another person being thrown around that I think would be a collossal mistake to hire).
I think Pope is going to get fired and bought out under pressure from KU boosters who wanted a real splash hire. His leash is very short.
I hate to disagree, Pope recruited
4 star chandler and Moore, Kafli, Fouse and Hall
second, why would Burgess be a colossal failure?
every where he has coached , he has improved the program. or are you one of those million mormon disappointed that he choose to go to Duke over BYU that Reid talked about?
I am feeling a lot negative vibes from your posts.
I think we need to define what a âbig gameâ is. Kansas at Kansas? Iowa State? Baylor? North Carolina State early in the season? San Diego State? TCU at home after being down 17 at halftime? Those were all games BYU and Pope won this past season. I would not put those in a category other than âbig gamesâ, but I am open to discussion about it. I thought the loss to Duquesne was a bummer but I donât think the loss was on Pope, perhaps some of it but his adjustments didnât make a difference, particularly when the game was somewhat rigged for Duquesne anyway. The Big 12 tourney loss to Texas Tech, who lost to NC State, who lost to BYU⌠was also a bummer but not that big of a deal. Texas Tech was a good team that posed matchup problems anyway.
I guess it is just a case of perspective and opinion and I am fine with that, but Floydâs point about the negative tone in your comments may lend to something more than just Mark Popeâs coaching abilities, I donât know.
Iâm not sure that is what Larimer said, but you like to distort and adjust comments to fit your posts. He was likely offered more than what he was making in his contract, to stay at BYU, but I doubt it was even close to what Kentucky is going to pay him.
I have no problem with Pope going to Kentucky. All I have to do is put myself in his shoes to understand why he did it. It was a no brainer.
The way the officials called the game to start was helpful to Duquesne, allowing them to grab, hold and basically mug BYU and bully the situation. When BYU adjusted to that, the way the game was called changed and it wasnât as okay to grab and hold. The adjustments didnât help BYU at that point. The fact that they were able to get it to within 4 at the end was an accomplishment but it wasnât enough.
The game was rigged at the beginning to help Duquesne by the way the officials called the game. Had they called it tighter in the beginning and not allowed Duquesne to be so physical the outcome might have been different. Yes, in my opinion rigging a game, or calling it in favor of one team or in a manner that caters to a particular teams play style is a form of conspiracy. It happens in the NBA regularly.
That is my clarification, go ahead and misinterpret, misunderstand and confuse that so you can make whatever point it is that you want to make to fit whatever opinion you have about it.
As I am constant on is itâs up to the team/players to figure out how the officials call the game throughout the game and make the adjustments immediately. We just go outplayed. Nothing rigged. No conspiracy. Itâs not up to the refs to make shots.
