How do you reconcile foul language as being honest? I don’t see the two being connected. You can’t be honest without cussing? But, okay. Trump was just being honest when he said what he did to Megan Kelly and Betty Flinstone Rosie O’donnell. So, he not a meanie then 
I couldn’t tell you exactly. I know they lived in Tahoe for awhile but then moved to Gardnerville at some point when I was pretty young. It could have been during the time you were there, I just don’t know. Also, he might have been made bishop in Gardnerville or Minden even though he was working in Tahoe. It was likely 40 or so years ago.
Some time you have to tell me his name, maybe I know him. I met a lot of good people there. I was such a green horn in not only being a missionary, but also having only been in the church for about a year or two. The members in Tahoe made me so welcomed and helped me figure some things out (building my testimony).
Gardnerville was part of my district, so I know the area pretty well.
Interesting story (or faith promoting rumor) about Gardnerville, When Johnston army was marching to Utah, Brigham Young sent word to all the settlements to “gather in” to help fight against the army. So, the saints left their farms and lumber mill in Gardnerville and went to Salt Lake. While they were gone, some non-LDS people moved in and took over the farms and lumber mill. When the saints returned and wanted their property back, these people would not move off the land. The saints tried all different ways to get their property back, but these people would not give up the land they took over.
So, they contacted Salt Lake to find out what to do, Brigham told them to leave and settle somewhere else, but before leaving, “dust their feet” on the land. I believe it was Parley P. Pratts son that did the “dusting” as they were leaving. The following night, a landslide took out lumber mill, the land became a desert again and nothing would grow.
According to the members I talked to in Gardnerville that caused a great contention between the members of the non-LDS people that was still there in the 1970’s when I was on my mission.
How true the story is or if it was one of those faith promoting rumors, I really do not know, but the members believed and said it was true. To them, that was one reason doing missionary work there was so hard in Gardnerville.
If you can’t figure it out, then I can’t help you.
Did J Golden ever personally attack someone with the way he talked? I think there is a big difference between J Golden and Trump, sorry you can’t see it.
Did you know Brigham Young too? 
Aren’t you a McConkie fan and his Mormon Doctrine books? You should read what he had to say on the subject. I disagree with you. I agree with him. You should get some money education so you can express yourself with words limited to four letters. Jim is a master at expressing himself without having to swear. He’s a BYU graduate
Nope, I have long known that his books as well as other GA’s books are their personal opinion, not doctrine!
There is a reason why President Hinckley “Banned” the use of Mormon doctrine in teaching lessons in Sunday School, Priesthood or RS lessons. What Bruce R. said in his book is not DOCTRINE!
BTW, do you know how many times McConkie had to revise his book because President McKay told him he had to do it? Check it out.
Dude! Are you suggesting everything in his book is wrong? The real problem with his book is the name. Mormon thoughts. Mormon concepts. I always wondered why the 1st Presidency had such a problem with it. He wrote it with plenty of scriptural references to support his hypothesis. And the 1000 points President Romney found most are for interpretation which is not private to a few. For instance, McConkie’s statement on using bad words to express ourselves. I have a business partner in the office that is a very strong believer in Jesus Christ. His faith got him through cancer when he was 16. He’s 42 and a faithful follower in his Christian church. However, when he speaks he lets out with four letter words about 10 per minute. And he’s a college grad. The problem is I can’t hear most of what he says because each word causes movement in the Holy Ghost to want to leave. So, I agree with McConkie, an Apostle of the Lord, over master Floyd. Do I judge the business partner? Nope. Love him to death. Hopefully he will eventually see that I don’t engage in the usage of those words that chase the spirit away.
I said never said, nothing in the book wasn’t true, there are probably some truths in there, but it still not doctrine.
What I did say, was that President Hinckley banned the book from use in Church lessons.
So, either you “follow” the prophet, or you “Don’t”! That is a personal choice.
So, do you believe in following the Prophet?
“On July 5, 1966, President McKay invited Elder McConkie into his office and gave approval for the book to be reprinted if appropriate changes were made and approved. Elder [spencer W.] Kimball [of the Quorum of the Twelve Apostles] was assigned to be Elder McConkieâ??s mentor in making those changes. … My father told me that President McKay had so directed him. In addition to that, I am in possession of handwritten papers by my father affirming that direction.”[3]
McConkie also wrote the headings of the chapters in all the standard works. I’ll listen to his opinions over yours any day. And, by the way, just like every book, it’s the opinions of the author and so states in every book. Even Pres. Hinkley’s books. I’ll say it again, I would just change the name and say it’s the author’s opinion. By the way, can you post the link to where Hinkley said don’t use it in Sunday School? And, of course it isn’t doctrine. Doctrine has to be confirmed by a sustaining vote by church members as well.
Do you have a reference for that, Floyd? I don’t remember Pres. Hinckley saying that.
The bottom line to all of this is simple. The Democrat Party is controlled by Marxists. Not all Democrats are Marxists but whoever is in control are Marxists. Study the Communist Manifesto, the aims clearly stated by the US Communist Party around 1962, watch Bill Whittle’s “Empire of Terror” on the Dailey Wire if you subscribe. Read Skouson’s excellent books “The Naked Communist and “The Naked Capitalist”. Learn about the life of Marx and his views. He was a wicked man. Learn about the tactics of Lenin. Some of those are used by Democrats today and have been for years. Lenin is often depicted by college professors in a sympathetic light. He was a monster who was responsible for the death of around two million Russians. Stalin picked up the torch and killed far more but he learned many of his tactics from a master, Lenin.
The rhetoric, the cancel culture tactics, dehumanizing political rivals are right out of the Marxist playbook. Many of the positions of the Democrats are pure Marxist. You have to educate yourself to recognize it. Most of the voting public doesn’t see it and the Marxists always lie about what they are. Lying in the culture of Marxism is no sin and the ends always justify the means and the end of a Marxist nation is one of two classes; peasants and the ruling class and mass murder and poverty.
I would never call a fellow poster a Marxist or suggest all Democrats are Marxists. I have no guilt about calling the party leaders Marxists and Harris is a poster child and of course her handlers are telling her to talk like a moderate on some issues and try to cover up her past.
She hasn’t had a press conference yet which is interesting.
If Harris is elected we won’t have mass killings and gulags but we will have our individual freedoms further eroded, free market capitalism will continue to be weakened, Social media will
continue to censor conservatives opinions to an even greater degree. In Russia and China Communism was established by violent revolution and maintained by murder and terror. In the US we have been moving toward it peacefully, our Republic dying by inches.
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It was during his time as President, and they sent a letter to all bishop’s as to what is approved in lessons during church. I believe it was around 2010.
This link kind of goes over the changes the church made in what is and is not appropriate for use in church lessons.
Understanding and Teaching Correct Doctrine Correctly | Religious Studies Center (byu.edu)
I will also note the Deseret Book stop printing Mormon Doctrine and the church has removed all references to it in the scripture and now is gospel tools.
I think that sound like a good reason not to use it.
Don’t you find it interesting that she has not yet had a media interview? Currently, she is the mode of trying to convince voters that she never said the things she said in the past 3 1/2 years.
On Fox News, they showed a clip of a podcast of Joe Rogan(sp?) where he says Harris will win because people just don’t the work and does not want Trump (anything but Trump) period.
If I find the podcast, I will share it. It was pretty interesting.
I have a friend that is 150% behind Trump, He posted the following which I happen to agree with about 95% of it.
My friend posted:
1. I believe most Americans, right and left, want the same things. We just have very different perspectives about how to get there.
2. My objections are typically not with rank-and-file Democrats or progressives, but with party leadership and their media sycophants, and the policy manifestations of their ideology.
3. I don’t engage in personality politics. I strive to focus on policy and performance, structure, and principle. I understand that a lot of people dislike Trump personally for a whole host of reasons. (I’m not surprised. If I were being inundated with the constant din of Trump hate messages and out of context quotes as well as the suppression of any good work, I’d probably hate him, too! But frankly, I’m not much interested. Let’s stick to what matters. Policy!7l
4. If we must, let’s disagree agreeably. I welcome debate and will always try to be courteous and respectful. May America win!
It pretty much how I feel. Not all democrats are evil and not all republicans are good…
I think we need to stop making it all about one party or the other. If you actually belong to a political party or affiliate with that party then you better dang well believe and subscribe to what they say and what they are doing.
Aro is spot on with his analysis and comments about the democratic party currently. The leadership are wicked and dangerous. Their ideas and beliefs are not representative of the democratic party as a whole but they are slowly chipping away at all those ideas and beliefs that this country was founded on and established, and it is shameful.
So we need to reevaluate who and what is the real threat to democracy and freedom.
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Remember the Weatherman Mole? Larry Grathwohl. Here is a blip from his interview in I think 1969 about Bill Ayers (where Barrack Obama got his start in politics) and 25 others who were graduates of major liberal universities.
Notice today that China, Russia, Iran and other terrorist nations are coming together in an unholy alliance. And, how our leaders, Obama and now Biden-Harris have given billions of dollars to Iran and allowed hundreds of billions of dollars to flow by Iran and Russian oil to fund their wars. Israel is currently fighting on 7 fronts, not two or or three. Iran has joined in with the bombing. And, Ukraine who was an ally, is no longer one because they could come forward and threaten Biden and the democrats money trail of Obama-Biden.
This is from the article you posted about Mormon Doctrine. Don’t know if you actually read the article:
" A third example is the book Mormon Doctrine. [65] This was once widely used by Church members as an authoritative resource for establishing gospel doctrine. It was originally published in 1958 when its author, Elder Bruce R. McConkie, was a member of what was then the First Council of the Seventy. The third and final edition of the book was published in 1978 while Elder McConkie was serving as a member of the Quorum of the Twelve. The book was published privately and was never published by the Church. Selections from the book that are included in the current Church curriculum publications carry a higher level of authority than those that are not. This does not mean that other quotations from the book cannot be used, but that the level of authority for each selection should be considered. In other words, it cannot be assumed that every principle taught in Mormon Doctrine represents current Church teaching; nevertheless, we may assume that any quotation from the book used in an approved Church manual does. This does not undermine Elder McConkie or his published works but simply clarifies how selections can be used with greater accuracy and authority in classroom settings.
Elder McConkie made numerous revisions to his book in the second and third editions because, as he himself stated, “As is common with major encyclopedic-type works, experience has shown the wisdom of making some changes, clarifications, and additions.”[66] This means that, by his own acknowledgment, at least the first two editions contained statements that needed correcting. Therefore, if a quotation is used by a teacher from an earlier edition of the book, a principle that Elder McConkie revised later may be taught inaccurately. In this case, it would be much safer to work within the curriculum. Selections from the book are still used in Church curriculum publications, including the latest New Testament institute student manual, where fourteen selections are used—mostly from the 1966 edition.[67] It is referenced once in the New Testament teacher manual.[68]"
I have a “Survival” book in my library. In it, the author said that when the buildings were hit on 9/11, 10% of the people lead some up to the top of the building while 10% lead people down to the bottom and hopefully out. The 20 - 80 rule. The 80% didn’t know what to do and followed the leader blindly. That was his take. I agree. Put that in context with the members of the Democrat Party being only led by the Marxists in both the Party and the Media. Just like in Nazi Germany, the Germans fell right in line to persecute and accept what was happening.
Well, I would that if and only if the extreme factions make things harder for people to “chose good people”.
Take this as an example of why I have problems with the pro-Trump supporters here in Utah.
Lyman asks Utah court to remove Gov. Cox from office and ballot – Deseret News
Here is the issue:
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As few years ago, the Legislature created a bill that allowed anyone who did not get the nomination during the convention the ability to get 20K+ legit signatures to be put on this primary ballot.
This bill was caused by some infighting within the Utah GOP, where the current caucus system was being highjacked by extreme republicans (pre-Trump). Layman himself voted for this bill -
Layman who is very much Pro=Trump, who also was convicted of riding his 4-wheeler on restricted federal land, won the convention.
Cox had met the requirements of SB54 which allows dual path to the primary ballot. Shortly after the convention, a Hinckley/Harris poll showed that the majority of registered GOP voters preferred Cox (80%) to Lyman (8%). Which actually shows just how out of touch the State GOP committee is with the registered republicans in the state. -
The primary happened, Cox wins by 40K votes. Lyman is livid and brought several court cases to overturn the results, which so far, every judge has rejected his arguments. Remember this is conservative state with conservative judges.
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Now he is going to the Utah Supreme Court to not only overturn the election results, but also remove the Governor and Lt. Governor from office. This is so far out of bounds; I really have no idea what he is thinking. My guess is that the Utah Supreme Court will once again reject his case. But who knows.
This is why I dislike what Trump did after he lost the 2020 election. Instead of accepting the results and planning his return, he went to court (which is his right) and lost EVERY SINGLE case because he did not have evidence that met the legal term.
Now Lyman is following Trump’s model and suing the state over the election. This guy voted for the bill; he is now fighting in the court.
Poll after poll shows that the majority of registered Republicans voters do not want him as Governor, mostly because his views is so far out there.
In Utah, Cox is a moderate, who prefers to talk to people and bring people together rather than vilifying people who do not agree with him. But to the far-right crowd thinks he is a RINO!
The other election court case is in the 2nd district where the incumbent has a very slim lead (less than 500 votes) and the guy running against her, is questioning why some ballots were discounted (they did not have the right postmark according to state elections laws).
To me, this is the correct way to use the court system for a resolution.
Now, I have beaten this dead horse over and over and over, I am done with the subject matter.
You simply aren’t listening to Jim or me for that matter. But, that doesn’t surprise me. We are in the last days and close to the 2nd coming. Look around the country and the world and tell me we aren’t looking at WW3 with Biden-Harris chastising Israel, supporting Iran who supports Russia and China and vice-versa. Terrorists have crossed into our country through the Biden-Harris open border policy. LGBTQ is controlling pretty much every decision our politicians decide on as not to offend anybody. The Media supports violent leftwing Democrat pushed riots while vilifying rightwing mostly peaceful protests. Women have lost their battles with men through the wokeness of Democrat politicians and media. A side note, that was eventually to be expected because of the 60’s-70’s leftwing women’s rights movement. Note that you hear nothing from them over men competing in women’s sports hurting women’s opportunities. It was all for the benefit for the LGBTQ women libers. The public couldn’t see the forest from the trees on that one either. Just like you can’t see what has been happening with the Progressive movement that started about the same time.
So, one more time. You think moderate politics is how it should be TODAY. I say, because we are close to the end of times, it’s time to stand up to evil 100% of the time. Not to negotiate with evil. That time has long gone. The far left have taken power through corruption and corrupting elections. It’s time to question every election until the good overcomes the evil (if possible) and laws can be written to stop the corruption. So, I’m all in with any rightwing Republican challenging any election. Especially in your purple state of Utah. Back in the late 70’s when I was there, there was no “Moderate” way of living. It was well conservative. The more you negotiate with the left, the more and more your state will turn blue.
So, bottom line, Go Trump and anyone else who goes through the legal method of challenging an election.
Cox was adamantly against voting for Trump…until he decided to vote for Trump, hmm hmmm hmmmm.
“So let me get this straight: Requiring ID to vote is racist… But requiring ID to attend a Kamala Harris ‘rally’ is NOT racist?” Nick Sortor wrote to his more than 448,000 followers.
“You need photo ID to get into an invite-only Kamala Harris event, but not to vote?” another user, Ian Haworth, echoed.
“Kamala Harris requires photo ID to enter a private campaign event. Kamala Harris doesn’t want to require photo ID to vote. Kamala Harris doesn’t want to require ID before crossing our border. Weird,” political commentator Gunther Eagleman also wrote on X.
hmmmm hmmmm hmmmm
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Those in the middle have no convictions on either side. So, they are targeted by both sides in order to sway them. That’s why both sides will talk to Cox and why Cox talks to both sides. See which side will give him cover for the next election to stay in power
Well, as Scott likes to point out “if you don’t vote for Trump, then your vote is for Harris”.
Secondly, He decided AFTER had a meeting with Trump about the turning down the heat and personal attacks. Stick to policies, not personal attacks. Cox was on record as supporting Haley.
I like Cox for the simple reason he is not extreme in his views, and he likes to bring people from all sides to work on critical issues. That was the Reagan approach by the way.
Reagan was the Great Communicator was also a terrific compromiser. What made him so terrific was that he knew the difference between compromising one’s deeply held principles (don’t!) and compromising to achieve significant incremental advancement of those principles (yes, do it!).
Crucially, what many so-called conservatives today fail to grasp is that a willingness to reach constructive compromise was a key facet of Reagan’s deeply thought “intellectual conservatism.” In sum, constructive compromise is built into the Reaganite principles that conserve the U.S. tradition that Reagan called a “maximum of individual freedom consistent with law and order.”
I believe Cox tries to follow that example.
Cox believes that everyone has a voice and the right to share it. I would give examples where he followed Reagan idea of compromise, I could also show you several recent Conference talk about “listening and understanding” those that don’t agree with you. But you would say something snarky, convoluted and off-topic because it does not fall in line with your hero worshipping of Trump.