Could that be due to the where you live? as opposed to someone who might see what the far-right idiots do?
Ask people in northern Idaho if they think the far right is less toxic. The answer is “no” There are a lot of far-right groups that live up there and, in some cases, has taken over entire city government (because they had the votes to do it).
I live in an area that is highly “Tea Party” infested, and yes, I have seen some hatred and toxic comments directed at me and others.
My point is simple, “I can’t control what other do, only what I do”. So maybe we should all look at toning down the rethoric.
Have you seen burning down of buildings, people shot and many other violent actions by the Right because of Joe Biden? All you can point to is January 6th and that’s it. And, that isn’t much of anything. We aren’t talking about racism and stuff like that. Nice try at spinning though. But, as Bill O’reilley says, This is the no spin zone
Jim, I appreciate your rational, thought-out approach to this. I’ll offer up the following. I believe the 80/20 rule is more about who works to get things done or conversely who causes the drag on getting things done. Like at work - in management it is 80% of your time and energy dealing with 20% of the people. More like 90/10 for Church! In this case - bad actors in political parties -the ratio (80/20 or 90/10) of bad apples/people spewing hateful rhetoric is probably not that different for both parties. Maybe it’s 20% of democrats and 10% of republicans, but it is NOT 99% of democrats that are the problem.
Regarding media, it’s not an apples to apples. There’s what, 8 mainstream media stations versus basically Fox News. The Republican alt right (the 10% -20%) don’t get ginned up from those sources - in fact - many alt right think Fox News is too weak on attacking Democrats - they get ginned up on conservative alt-right websites, blogs etc. I bet if you added ALL sources that people listen to “validate” their own opinions (or source their opinions from) it would be about the same. Have always heard that the number of conservatives listening to these sites are much more. Isn’t that why there was a push by FCC or something regulatory to “make things even” which was really an attempt to limit the conservative websites? Sure don’t agree with that controlling attempt.
I contend that if you (not you personally, the someone you) listen 80+ percent of the time to conservative media, you will be convinced that far left democrats are at least 80% of the problem and the source of hatred. If you listen 80+ percent of the time to liberal media you will be convinced alt right are at least 80% of the problem and hatred. This is just human nature. This is just where we are. That’s why I said before for every extreme cult following liberal there is one on the alt right. There are many alt right that would cheer, yes cheer if a top democrat was taken out. We all know that is the sentiment of some.
Now whether actual destruction of property, lawbreaking etc is 50/50, I don’t know, it probably 70/30 to 90/10 more liberals than conservatives. But that makes some sense since democrats are in charge right now and they do not hold people that are violent/destructive accountable because those criminals fit with their policies.
Saturday was a dark day for America. It sickened me. It is wholly on the moron 20 year old, and yes, was almost certainly molded, ginned up etc by Democratic fear-mongering. Absent that, he probably not have done it. May he rot in hell. My point is both sides need to stop the rhetoric no matter how much more you think the other side is fueling it. I just grow weary of the cult like virtue signaling (99 to 1) that both sides exude. Don’t care if it’s 50/50 70/30 or whatever, do the right thing even if you are “just” the 30% side. Why can’t we individually and collectively do that? Promote and support your position, but time to stop hating anyone that doesn’t agree with you.
You are just throwing out numbers. The debate is on actual violence. And, I mean real violence. Not like January 6th with no weapons of any kind. Mostly old people. As an example, can you imagine how many violent riots would be going on now if it was Joe Biden who was almost assassinated? Or, Obama? Name me one violent attack where buildings and cars were burned down, people killed by rioters and so on. Do you see right wingers out damaging famous and expensive paintings and statues? Only leftwingers are pulling down statutes and paintings.
99-1 isn’t that far off.
I think too, Floyd, that there are plenty of alt right that would be violent/destructive if they thought they could get away with it. Many in the far left know they can get away with it and bad consequences are not imposed by those in control right now. If right extremists could get away with it, you would see more of those activities. That’s human nature. Think of the two extremes of left and right - Communism and Facism. Many justified horrendous actions to the other side because they’re side was in complete control without consequences. End result of both extreme isms is the same.
You keep coming up with this “human nature” baloney. We have our free moral agency to choose right from wrong. It’s my opinion that Democrats have grouped together with like minds of being destructive regardless of who is in power. And, Republicans have grouped together as more defensive minded persons that will defend ourselves but not go out and act like animals. Again, over the last 100 years, how many riots have you seen started and ended with Republicans? That doesn’t mean there aren’t bad people in the Republican Party. We are simply pointing out that a vast more Democrats will riot and be very violent because of something happens to them than Republicans. Were there violent riots when Roe v. Wade was first sided by the Supreme Court back in 1973? No. Republicans simply haven’t rioted like Democrats. Oh, we may protest. But not violently unless provoked. It’s 99 - 1.
As far as the 80-20 rule, I agree more with you that it’s about work.
Communist = international socialists
Fascists/Nazi = national socialists.
two different types of the left.
Though the nationalist part of the Fascist ideology has often caused the mislabeling of the extreme right wing in our country as the same as fascists…admittedly I don’t pay much attention to the northern idaho style nationalists much…but I have never seen them espouse socialism…the core authoritarian strain of either the nationalist or internationalist socialists.
Excellent point! They are simply racist and hate Jews. And, they side with the KKK which was organized under the Democrat Party of the left. Communists use fascism when necessary to promote communism. But Fascists never need communists.
So, now we know the Secret Service actually knew about this nut on the roof 10 minutes before the shooting. Yet, they let Trump get on the stage and wait for gun fire before covering? Whose running the show? Biden?
We’re going to need some faxes, texts, emails, etc. in order to prove it though.
Seriously, some of the information that is coming out is really unbelievable. He was identified an hour before as a person of interest? They saw him with a range finder, looking over the area? Secret Service was aware of the dude on the roof twenty minutes before he started shooting?
What in the world were they all doing? They were aware of the dude on the roof but they only took him out 30 seconds after he started shooting? Probably didn’t want to offend him by asking him what he was doing…
It was the local police that found this kid and reported him at least that is what the local police is saying, then another police person found him on the roof and the kid pointed a gun at him and the cop left (never says if he reported it). shortly thereafter, he started shooting, as soon as the sniper located the shooter, he took him out. (30 seconds is not very long for locating the threat).
The real issue according to a former secret service agent was not the detail of President Trump or the sniper team, they did their jobs.
Who is at fault is the advanced team and leadership up the chain. They failed at assessing the threat of direct line of sight to the platform. They should have had the rally people set the platform where there was no line of sight. They should have had a larger protection ring around the event.
Again, Words and negative rhetoric matters!
There was some talk by some congressmen about pulling Trump’s detail, as way for them to “punish Trump for January 6th”.
The Homeland Director is a joke, and the head of the secret service should lose her job for the falsehoods she stated after the shooting.
One interesting thing I found out listening to an interview with a classmate of the shooter was that he did not like Politicians of any party. The guy said the shooter hated all politicians, which make me believe that maybe this guy was more in line with the beliefs of “Antifa”.
Time will tell, I believe the team assigned to Trump did their jobs, the snipers and protection detail for the rally, did their jobs. They are heroes to me. I can’t say the same for the advance team and leadership going up the chain.
There’s a lot of truth in what you say. I’ve read and heard a couple of things to add:
The cop that climbed up and saw the shooter stood on top of another cop’s shoulders. The shooter immediately saw him and pointed his rifle at him. The cop immediately jumped off the other cop and fell 8 feet hurting himself. He did immediately call it in. 19 seconds the shot was taken.
No drones were up with a gun on it that could have immediately taken him out.
The SS should have been told at least a couple of minutes before the shots to take Trump off the stage until the shooter is apprehended or shot. Whose fault was that?
After the shot that hit Trump was taken then they got up and protected him. Big disconnect by the SS. And, that’s why the conspiracy theories are flying around. Trump should have never allowed to stay on stage well before the shots. And, the SS should have been surrounding him before the shots were taken.
Then, the lies from Biden on down also forge Conspiracy. I’m sure much has been destroyed by the conspirators.
Last thing to add is one of his former student pier said he hated Trump and Republicans specifically. That was shown on FoxNews and all over the web. I agree he aligns with Antifa who is associated with specifically the Democrats. They show up only at Democrat protests and riots.
I’m sure the faxes, emails and phone calls have been deleted and bleach bit destroyed by Hillary.
I’ve seen videos of his school piers that he was bullied and hated Trump and Republicans. So, your statement about him being registered Republican is irrelevant. And Floyd is right about him fitting in with Antifa which is connected with the Democrat Party.
DEI had to be involved with this. Such a blunder. I’m sure the goal was to negotiate with the shooter instead of getting Trump off the stage and shooting him before he go shots off.
I didn’t make that statement. I’m the one who said it was irrelevant. You are repeating what I said and saying it to me. Miscommunication… do you work for the SS or some other incompetent federal agency?
The head of the SS is a woman and she said several years ago she wanted to make the SS more diverse and wanted 30% of the SS to be be women. This is nuts. The military, SS, police work has no place for social engineering. Fortunately DEI is starting to get a lot of blowback. Its only one party pushing this insanity and it ain’t the GOP.
There were several women that were a part of the SS security team on Saturday and the videos of their performance reveals they were lacking. Sorry folks this a is job for men who are stronger and much better equipped for the work.
I don’t see how anybody can’t see what is going on. The reports I read and alluded to were straight from ABC news. I mean this isn’t information we are getting from FOX news. These are the rest of the liberal, Trump hating news agencies that are reporting it.
Now I am hearing that the dems may be eyeing Michelle Obama for the presidential nomination. I think Barack wants to become king and rule over this country. Why isn’t anyone talking about that?
The Democrats wants Michelle to run, Michelle herself has never liked politics (that was her husband dream) and many people who know her that has talked to news agencies has said she has no interest in running. Michelle also does not like the Bidens for the way they treated her friend and former daughter in law to the Bidens.
Time will tell if they can convince her to do it, but from what I read, she has no interest in it.
they say that Michelle polls stronger then Trump??? So…where are they polling her numbers…Chicago or Detroit?
Obama himself floated to insiders that Joe has to go…talk about a back stabber. His own guy, that Obama used to prop up his legacy is out. When you have Shifty Shiff, Shumer and Palosi all calling for the basement president to step down, the die has been cast. Joe will be gone by Saturday.
The main candidate becomes Harris…who polls far below Joe
Followed by bankrupt Cally Newson.
Followed by Gretchen from Michigan.
The house, Senate and Presidency will be Trump. They better get things done.
