You didn’t comprehend what I wrote. It’s not getting into the lane. It’s how it is done. We lean away from players and not into defenders like string talented players do. They draw the foul. We lean away from it. So we don’t get the calls. It’s just a fact.
I agree with you. The officiating was awful. It seemed very evident to me that one official was not going to do anything to make the crowd mad, and another official clearly covering for the first official, deciding to really stick it to BYU when Pope started getting on the first official. How embarrassing for the official to know you can’t handle the pressure. We all saw it. In the post game Pope wanted to say exactly what I just wrote but could only hint at it to save himself a fine. We got homered plain and simple.
I loved Richie finishing hard at the rim, getting hit hard on the body on the shot, then the guy lands on him, and no call.
Richie needs to play more. Period.
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Yep! Sanders plays hard and doesn’t disappear like Waterman did again.
You guys keep harping on the officials. Whatever you think is going on isn’t going to change. What we can do is win by not helping the other team with reach cheap fouls. By not missing our own free throws. By making open shots in the key (Johnson’s brick). By not making really bad turnovers, leading to 18 easy baskets. By not making it easy to score 8 points because of technical fouls.
Those are just the facts! You and Jim are obsessed with the referees. Stick to what we can control.
So let me ask you this Tom:
BYU “preseason” was mostly at home, against mostly lower-level talent. The exception was SDSU and Utah, which we went 1-1 against.
Do you think it was wise for Pope to plan this type of preseason?
From what I am seeing the basketball team is following the football team on the performance level anyways.
As the NBA coach would say, “Speed Kills”. BYU will always be facing faster guards. Barcello was the last fast guard BYU had. If you look at the make up of our bigs. Foos is hurt, further hampers his speed. Personally playing against thick guys like Foos, it takes a while to get around them so they defend the paint well but he may never get up to full speed although he looked great for the minutes he played. Khalifa, so love his game but then we all knew he is painfully slow laterally. Atiki very quick but just dies not understand the game. The refs were very quick to call the moving screens on Baylor’s big guy early but other then that, yes, the refs. let Baylor get away with murder.
Want to see if the Refs have an agenda, watch how the games are reffed vs. UCF or WV. They have nothing to gain s0 will BYU get the calls?
Hall kills me to watch in crunch time so I turned the game off before Pope got the T. it’s either that or I break the dam TV. Atiki cost BYU a number of possessions with his T and moving screens. Those are easy fixes except for Atiki, he just never learns.
And that my friends is how I feel about the refs but more importantly our team makeup. BYU can compete in the big 12, we just got up by 10 in the 2nd half against ELITE guards. We just need to stay composed and finish a game.
Why BYU lost
1 Houdini disappeared again. 6 rebs and O points in 22 minutes. Watch him get 15 or more vs. UCF
2 Robinson aka “cool hand luke” still not back. 1-6 from 3land but I did get a kick when he buried the 3 to shut up Baylor fan’s chanting, “air ball”. No doubt he will get better going forward.
3 Did Hall play down the stretch? if so, that is why we lose games, He can win games for you but he will also do something @(& stupid. So that is what Pope has to decide on.
4 Khalifa, Oh MY, how do I love his backdoor passes, someone should tell Hall to follow through when he cuts so that Khalifa isn’t stuck with a TO. gees!
5 Did the refs hurt BYU, yes, Play ON.
6 Love to see Foos backing in bigs with his baby hook. Stay healthy, we neeeed you.
7 Knell continues to scorch 3s, man he hits quick, but will always be a liability on D
8 My man Spenc, got a lot done
9 Atiki did some things right but he cost us way more then we got in Ofouls and Ts.
10 need more Saunders on the floor, the “energizer bunny just gives us more juice” on both ends.
11 Baylor guards are ELITE, very encouraged after the total failure vs. Cinn. We are better then Cinn and that game will haunt BYU. Time to GROW THE FREAK UP, we have the talent so get it together.
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Throw me in there too. The refs homered the game
If you have an unproven team or a rookie Point, you schedule soft.
If you have vets, you say, this is the year and you load on the meat.
at least that is how I would do it…
You have a lot of great points in which I agree with most. Sanders should start if Adams isn’t going to play.
Your first statement about Baylor’s guards is accurate. They are quick, fast, strong and shoot short and midrange shots. The speed is why they get the fouls called. It’s much easy for refs to pick up on the bumps and slaps at the ball but hit the arms than our slower and less sure of themselves what we are going to do once in the lane. We don’t go up with authority and lean into the defender to get the bump foul like in the NBA. But Baylor does as well Cincinnati did in the 2nd half. We actually lean away to attempt an off-balanced shot. That’s why, except for Foos, we don’t get the calls. It’s really that simple. Are there other fouls we don’t get? Sometimes. But, if we control our strengths we can beat anyone.
Johnson shot a good percentage. However, that brick 6 feet out is what I’ve been harping on for a long time. We practice the floaters way too much. When we have a jump shot that close or midrange, Johnson and Knell brick them.
We agree on that. Adams is not ready or he would be helping out. Baker as well. Too bad, we really missed him for Baylor.
also correct but let’s stop at that because Jim has a ligit argument.
BYU did not get the calls. I saw plenty of slaps and arm grabs called against BYU and maybe one on Baylor. I personally don’t think it is BYU bias as Jim thinks. I have watched plenty of Big 12 games and it just happens to the road team as Tom puts it. Crowds can intimidate refs.
Yes, there were other fouls that could be called. However, as was stated on BYUSN, we are built on an offense that doesn’t call for a bunch of fouls. We have 5 guys on the arc when Foos is not on the floor. This is a legitimate argument. My beef is that some of the fouls we are called on are those drives by Baylor where we go straight up and move with the players and they lean in or jump in to get the foul. Those should be no foul or foul on them. But, it’s what they do in the NBA.
My feeling is we lost it with the technical fouls. Atiki’s ended up being a 4 point swing. Had he not throw the elbow he would have been at the line. Then Pope’s ended up a 6 point swing. 10 points and we lost by 9. And, thrown in is the unforced turnovers. They scored 18 off turnovers.
We have played well in the first half’s. But poorly defensively in the 2nd half’s. Teams make adjustments and start driving into the lane and get the fouls. And they make their foul shots.
Impossible Tom, BYU never goes strong to the basket, they always lean away from the defender and that is why they never get a foul call., haha. I know exactly which play you are talking about and you are correct. Saunders went up strong and was fouled but didn’t get the call. That is the stuff I am talking about Hopper and it wasn’t the only time. Baylor won the game at the free throw line because BYU is judged differently in the officiating aspect of the game. I told you it will keep the Cougars out of the NCAA tourney and I still believe it.
You are obsessed with one play that made no difference in the outcome. Johnson made a lot of good plays and hit some shots that kept BYU close until Baylor kept going to the free throw line. BYU played well enough to win the game but I told you early in the second half that Baylor was going to win the game shooting free throws and I was right. It got them back into the game and it carried them to the win. When they needed some free throws they got them. BYU wasn’t granted the same opportunity.
No way in the world Atiki gets that call. BYU does not get the same calls that their opponents do. Why is that so hard to understand? It has been going on for a long time. It happened in the WAC, the MWC, blatantly in the religiously biased WCC and now it is happening in the Big 12. Nobody should be surprised. Blame it on the technicals if you want, it doesn’t matter. Baylor won by 9 and made 10 more free throws after getting 14 more attempts. They still win easily without the technicals. It’s an easy math equation.
Jim you are right. For anyone who wasn’t watching, Pope’s T was with 54 seconds left, BYU down 5. Both announcers thought the guy travelled before the foul call. Both announcers thought he was tied up for a jump ball that would have given BYU the ball with a slight chance to win. BUT AND IT’S A BIG BUTTTTTT–they didn’t call an obvious travel (looked like 5 or 6 shuffles of his feet to me–exactly BECAUSE he was tied up for a jump by two defenders and struggling to get the ball from them), and instead they called the foul on BYU. An incredibly bad or biased or both call by the officials, but they called it. So even without the tech, it’s Baylor up by 7 with 54 seconds left and it’s game over. That’s why Pope didn’t care if he got teed up, because the foul call ended the game–NOT the technical. The technical literally didn’t matter.
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I’m sure we noticed the same thing: Richie Saunders played only 18 minutes. He finished 3/3 from the field, ALL OF THEM hard takes to the rim against heavy defense (clearly fouled on two of them with no call). He also was second on the team with 5 rebounds, had 1 assist, 1 steal, 1 block, and 1 TO (that wasn’t his fault). Coach Pope has already said that Richie leads the team in offensive efficiency, he’s the ONLY guy on the team who can consistently finish through traffic on the dribble above the rim, and Pope also says he and SJ are the two best defenders by a wide margin. I’m shocked he’s not playing more, and a lot more.
Go back to your talent analysis 101 class and learn from unbiased analysts. I didn’t see 15 minutes of the 2nd half. So, I may have missed it. Yes, our less physically talented players do not go up strong like Fouss does. We lean away. Just watch Saturday or go to ESPN+ and watch the Baylor game.
You weren’t watching. The original call was a foul on Baylor for grabbing twice. The refs got together and changed it to a technical foul on Atiki. Which was the right call. Need glasses.
Yes, the technical fouls gave Baylor 10 more points because they also got the ball out of bounds and scored. That was the game.
Of course they changed it. That’s what biased officials do.
I know what I’m talking about and I’m backed up by knowledgeable people on this board who see things the same way I do. You harp about me seeking safety in numbers but I don’t care about numbers, I care about the opinion of posters like tlarimer, thawk, fish and other astute minds.
The fact that your perspective is rarely agreed on should clue you in a bit but it doesn’t because you only see what you want to see and not what is actually going on.
Astute minds 
BYU in the MWC - fans says the officials are biased.
BYU in the WWC - fans says the officials are biased.
BYU in the BIG12 - fans says the officials are. biased.
I think there is a trend here…… If BYU plays anywhere, in any conference, the officials are biased!
Look, I am not saying that officials don’t make mistakes, or that even there are some bad officials (Steve Javie comes to mind). I am not saying that there aren’t officials that might have issues with teams (most of the time, it is because of the coach or player interaction and not the institution that they play for). Steve Javie vs Jerry Sloan is a prime example.
But from my perspective, people only see one side of the coin. They don’t see the missed calls for their team, they only see the one that was against their team.
Here is the based truth, 95% of the officials don’t give a crap about BYU, or what religion they represent. They are not biased, they are simply doing a difficult job the best they can. Of course they are not perfect, they are human after all.
It has been proven through research that basketball is the most subjective game to call. Take it for what it is worth,. but as in most things in life “Nothing is ever truly fair”.
The “truth” according to Floyd. There is absolutely no way to prove what you are saying but 95% is simply not accurate nor realistic. I might give you 75% but in the end, the officials can get away with making more calls against BYU because the Cougars care more about being nice and respectful than most other teams do. Can you dispute that? Its funny how you say it doesn’t exist and then you provide specific examples of how it actually does exist.
I am only referencing the first two Big 12 games for now. One home and one away. BYU did not get any fouls or free throws to help their cause. I will reserve judgement going forward but what are you going to say when it happens at UCF next game? If it doesn’t I will retract.
BYU won WAC and MWC titles because they were talented enough to overcome bad officiating. In the WCC it didn’t matter how good they were, even though they were talented enough, they couldn’t overcome the worst bias of the three conferences. I don’t expect BYU to EVER win a Big 12 title. That is reserved for the elite, nationally ranked teams in the league. I also don’t expect them to EVER get any favors from officials. That was proven in both games thus far.