BYU and the big 12 getting RIPPED OFF!

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Holy Score: BYU’s fate in title race, playoff rankings should prompt Big 12 to reassess strategy | KSL.com

BYU is not only out of the big 12 championship game but pretty much locked out of the CFP

“Strength of schedule should matter and wins against Power Four opponents should matter.”

"Yormark is right, of course, but here’s the twist:

The Big 12 contender with the best strength-of-schedule and the best strength-of-record and the best victory over a Power Four opponent and the best overall resume in the conference isn’t even playing for the Big 12 championship.

Brigham Young is sitting home this weekend, boxed out of the title game after losing a four-team tiebreaker with ASU and Iowa State. (Colorado was the fourth tied team.)"

In addition to their superiority in the analytics used by the committee, the Cougars have the single best win in the Big 12 — and one of the best wins by any team in any conference all season: They beat No. 8 SMU on the road.

We’d argue the No. 18 Cougars should be ranked ahead of Iowa State, not two spots behind the Cyclones.

And you could make the case BYU should be in contention for an at-large berth given that its No. 12 strength-of-record, which measures a team’s performance against its schedule, is higher than four teams ranked above the Cougars (Boise State, Miami, Mississippi and Clemson).

One could argue that ranked #10 FSU before any games were played and Clemson ranked #19 and Miami ranked #22 set the ACC to not only big head start over the Big 12 but kept them ahead in the rankings all season long EVEN THOUGH their SoS was far below BYU’s is atrocious.

Two of its two-loss teams, Brigham Young and Colorado, are behind four teams with three losses: Alabama, South Carolina, Mississippi and, remarkably, Clemson, which has a No. 26 strength-of-record — 14 spots below the Cougars’ position.

If logos matter more than schedule strength, if the number of losses carries more weight than quality wins, the Big 12 should evaluate the whole shebang.

Don’t get me started on BSU and their SOS or the fact that they played 3 P4 teams is ranked over everyone in the Big 12, who all played at least 10 P4 teams

The Big 12 according to SoS and Analytics should not only have a BYE and a seat at the first 4 teams, but should also have at least 1 at large bid team, so two Big 12 teams in the big dance!

What say you?

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We had the same idea!! Great minds thinks alike! LOL

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Right…I am so offended that you posted the same thing after me and demand you take it off Cougarfan lol.

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And, guess what, BYU beating SMU there, is discounted because it was on Sept 6 - so much as changed since then. But Boise St GREAT loss vs Oregon, that’s carried them up the rankings vs an otherwise weak schedule as you point out, was when? Sept 7th
Total joke.
What’ say 2 months ago? B12 gets 4 in , SEC gets 4 in, ND gets in and ACC, Big 12 are at the kiddie table with non P4. Seeding Alabama so high is near criminal. Big 12 with 15, 16, 18 ? What a joke. Even ACC is getting a lot more love than B12 in the rankings - “But that won’t save you” (Taken, I think)
Pure joke

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I agree what we are getting ripped and we’re not getting ripped off. I’m not going to go into how we are, the article and fish stated it well. why I say we aren’t at the same time is because we chose to dance with this devil and now we’re crying foul. we (the big12 or byu) knew that logos were going to be a factor on who got in, that the sec would get a bigger piece of pie then us, we knew the rules the committee was going to use was nebulous, but we wanted to be at the table so we laid down our money and took the risk. so how do we say we’re getting ripped off when we chose to play this game. if you sat down at a game and dealer said I want you to know that I can change the rules at anytime, but you still played and then complained about it. who’s in the wrong here you or the dealer.

I know some say well you got to make your voice heard or nothing will change. that’s a true statement, but be careful because you can come off as a little ___ if you over play that hand, and I think we’re coming close to that. the harder we make our case the more we will have to prove our worth next year, and if we don’t our voice will be even more diminished.

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I remember you posting that. To which I think I said the Big 12 will come through…until they didn’t. Talking to a good football coach fishing buddy, “BYU fan’s are so unrealistic. You want to get rid of AROD and you lost 2 games all year…and in each game, BYU had 3 turnovers. Nobody wins with 3 TOs…and you had 2 games you should of lost but had last second miracles. Be happy”

did not mean to change the narrative but had BYU lost only 1 game, we would not be talking about any of this and BYU will be playing for something big as well as a lock for the playoffs. So dam frustrating

BYU was supposed to win 1 of the two and Colo was supposed to play in the Big12 final along with BYU. the national story of BYU (all season) and Colo, prime, shedeur, Hunter, a lock for Heisman. Would of been a national story…instead we get ASU vs. ISU…boooooooring and no love for the Big 12. Yormork is rightfully pissed.

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I don’t think we are being unrealistic. why not play the game the big boys do. you think nick saban wouldn’t have fired his OC if he got the same 4 years we got from arod. heck no he would have fired him after two years. was it fun and exciting to go 10 and 2 yes but I am also not going to lie to my self and say I know next year we are going 11 and 1 or even 12 and 0. neither would the big boys they are always looking for an edge and if you don’t show you are the best at what you do then why am I keeping you around. its a brutal world at the top and we will never be at the top if we don’t accept that fact.

so I reject this person comment. because all it says to me is just be happy with the scraps you have, because that is all you deserve.

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while on that subject: BYU is returning almost the entire O talent and we dodged a bullet when Bronco took that USU job and not our Jay Hill. What will BYU do in 2025?

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Agreed we dodged a bullet. I hope Hill stays forever. I’m a big Bronco fan so I am excited to maybe go up to USU and watch a game or two.

I have no idea. there were a lot of improvements, but there are still a lot of question. I think we will make a bowl game but I’m not going predict more then that, because we haven’t see that much consistency under this HC.

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Okay, I’m going to say it. You know I will. It’s time that the Big12 and certain teams sue the CFP and the NCAA for conspiracy to commit fraud. You can fill in the blanks with your legal mind.

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Where are the faxes and emails? Like anybody faxes anymore…

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The ACC is in the same boat

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This legal mind is baffled by that take…….

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Think about it…what constitutes fraud?

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We can complain and show how things aren’t fair but BYU had its destiny in its own hand and our offense scored 13 points with Retzlaff and ARod in charge vs Kansas. Had we won that game all of your conversations about unfairness wouldn’t be aired. The bottom line is our offense isn’t good enough and we started to get scouted by the big boys and they put the hammer down on ARod! Retz is not accurate enough! Our defense couldn’t win every game with our special teams. We looked bad vs Kansas and bad vs ASU …. But we really looked bad vs Utah. We don’t deserve to be in the CFP conversation this year.

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Yep, had the punt not hit the helmet of our own player. Had Robinson recovered the ball…we would have won. But, you point at ARod and Retzlaff. What is it with your obsession of these two?

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this is your assertion so it is yours to defend not his. I am curious how you think they are conspiring to commit fraud

(said with all the sarcasm in my body) ya I wonder why he is obsessed with the two of them. what could it be.

found this great video that I think hits the nail on the head. we have a perception problem. the best thing that could happen to us is AZ making a big splash and not getting trounced in their last game. then we need some consistency in our league

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very clear to me as well. A good OC has to change up things as competitors figure out how to defend you.

In both our losses, BYU dominated in every aspect of the game except TOs and winning.
We outgained both teams. In each loss, BYU was inside the 10 and threw interceptions.
Our total points in losses the entire season amounts to 9 points.

I disagree that BYU should not in the national conversation, our SOS and body of work gives BYU just as much standing as say a Alabama, with 3 losses and will make the CFP.

Watch Bama sneak in on a loss by Clemson or SMU, even though the CFP committee says, any team that is not playing, will not move up…The CFP is a scam. They are locking out teams in the ACC and Big 12 in favor of beat up SEC teams who in many cases do not have anything to prove they should be in except that they are in the SEC.
total BS

So…BYU returns it’s talent, comes in ranked to start the year. has a similar year and gets in? To me it was all about the rankings and how you started ranking wise

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I think it’s one of the ways. its all about perception and building your brand. I see these are the things we need to do. this is for both byu and the big12 because we need each other to have the best perception we can.

big12

  1. consistently good teams.
  2. teams ranked stay ranked all year.
  3. more than one team in the top 12.
  4. when playing other p4 conferences beat them.
  5. don’t get blown out by other teams in a P4 conference

BYU

  1. consistently good.
  2. be ranked stay ranked all year.
  3. always in the playoff discussion
  4. beat p4 teams outside our conference
  5. don’t get blow out

just like in life you need to build trust in the brand. once you do then you gain the benefit of the doubt the other teams/conferences do. its going to take time, but we have to have a winners mindset if we want what they have.

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What is being said is that the CFP committee sees parity in the SEC but not the reason for losses in the Big12. So, does it matter with your lists which should be correct? Money does drive a lot of things. So, when I speak of fraud, the lack of respect for BYU and the Big12 with the CFP committee is corrupted. Are the committee members being paid under the table by the SEC or the advertisors?