Dems jump off a cliff

Your understanding of what is going on is 100% correct. We are finding out more and more what the Democrats planned before the Zelenskyy meeting. They sabotage the minerals deal. I wonder if there is anything illegal about what they did.

Most probably don’t remember that Biden also had words for Zelenskyy a couple of times as well. Look it up.

Tomorrow night, we will see the clown show by the Democrats. Any sane Democrat still left in their party should immediately resign and move to independent, conservative, Republican or Libertarian. The Democrat Party has become the American Communist Party. There is no hope for them.

Agree about the Dems. They no longer represent anything that aligns with traditional
American values. The reasonable Dems are leaving their party. They lost Manchin, Sinema, Gabbard, and RFK Jr.

Rinos need to retire or get behind the Trump
agenda and stop giving comfort to an enemy that needs to be defeated because that enemy has no intention of playing ball.

Oh, they want to play ball. Marxist ball.

Xi is licking his chops…once Russia is prostrate, China will retake Siberia…something the CCP has openly said they want returned since 1949…
Last I checked, admittedly only last spring when my Ukrainian friends were wondering if they could beat off the Russian spring offensive, Russia still maintains about a third of its army on the Chinese border…hasn’t been any Russian deaths there since shortly before the Ukrainian invasion.
In the last year, China’s Foreign Ministry has openly published documents claiming territory that Russia has claimed for at least a century.

Not from the fall of the Soviet Union until 2014.

Essentially not from 2014 to 2022…yes there were ongoing conflict on the Donbas border which was more or less constantly shifting…but Russia wasn’t willing to put enough blood and money into win and the Ukrainians didn’t have enough support to push them out.

Yes the Donbas was the most Russian-sympathetic area of eastern Ukraine, but as bad as Ukrainian government was, the Donbas quasi-government proved worse and they kept imposing more and more martial law to keep from losing control.

The Crimea was swinging more and more against the Russians after 2014 as well.
At this point Crimea is almost as big a mess for Russia as it was for Germany in WWII; meaning so many partisans, guerilla fighters, or however you want to style the name, that Russia basically only controls their own bases and the roads they happen to be traveling on.
The main reason for the 2014 attack was because the Ukrainian government told Russia, that per their treaty Ukraine would be stopping the lease giving Russian continuing control of the Crimean Naval bases, essentailly Sevastopal and its naval facilities.
One of the things I most enjoy about the current conflict is that the Russian Navy has been forced out of Crimea anyway.
Georgia, or if you prefer Abkhazia, has been the unwelcome recipient of the expansion of the Russian Naval forces in the Eastern Black Sea, so Russia has the possible future warm water port she has wanted since the time of Peter the Great.
The loss of Syria to Mother Russia, has also meant the loss of the only other Russian port on the other side of the Turkish stranglehold, the famous Dardanelles and Bosporus. The Med is now entirely a NATO lake, Russian Naval assets being highly restricted even in the few countries that allow for refueling and resupply.

Thanks for the information, very intriguing, I hope Ukraine can pull this off, some of my friends who are from there, has mentioned Zelensky as President, although he has some issues, he is far better than the previous president.

I am not sure 3 years was enough time to fix the corruption issues within the Ukraine Government before Russia decided to invade.

What does your sources say about Zelensky being able to make changes.

Good info but we probably define recent history differently. Even if everything you say is true it isn’t in anybody’s interest for the war to drag on until Ukraine wins it outright because they can’t without the west stepping things up considerably and that would mean a big escalation in the conflict and then maybe you have a war where there are no winners.

As far as Zelensky is concerned he appears to be a shakedown artist only interested in his own position and wealth. Way too much of the aid he gets is lining his pockets and more of his countrymen are dying. He didn’t start the war but it appears to me he doesn’t have much interest in ending it. Today he made the statement that the war is far from over. Not helpful at all. It indicates that at this time he has no interest in ending it. As far as I am concerned we should quit funneling cash to Ukraine.

Zelensky and the Parliament have passed a slew of legislation that will be activated x number of days after peace breaks out. Obviously dealing with the war is more important than after the war, but virtually all Ukrainians are excited about the steps the EU has taken to accept Ukrainian membership and ongoing conversations about what the legislative steps need to be in place to make it happen.

Other than the corruption issues, I would almost certainly be living in Kyiv by now. Corruption is a legitimate issue…the number of generals and ministerial class individuals that have been kicked out when their corruption became known is quite large. But I haven’t been able to get a good handle on if this is like Xi’s anti-corruption campaign which allowed Xi to put his corrupt enemies in jail and turn a blind eye to his corrupt friends so long as they supported his draconian controls on China’s cities.
I have read reports from Euro based journalists re the corruption and most seem to agree that the Ukrainian desire to join the EU is allowing for the anti-corruption campaigns to move forward.
Ukraine’s relationship with Poland, and the way Poland has improved so much without the Russian overlords is a continuing goad for Ukrainian patriots. If the Poles can do it, we can do it better kind of thinking.

In many ways I agree with your sentiment. But I think you miss the fact that it is less than a year since Biden, and Germany et al, lifted the restrictions on Ukrainian attacks across the border into Russia and the substantial difference in the war since then. Of course, F16s, and other lesser air assets, arriving have also allowed for more attacks deeper into Russia
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The imbalance in the war right now, other than of course Ukraine begging for more ways to kill more Russians, is that Russia is trying to take more land, and figure out how to keep the Ukrainians from attacking yet more targets, largely logistic, deeper and deeper in Russia, while Ukraine is mostly fighting a purely defensive war. Though the invasion of Kursk is expanding it is mostly an attempt to get Russian land to trade for Ukrainian land. Crimea is mostly gone as Russian base now. If not for the difficulty of amphibious warfare, or the strictures of geography for maneuver warfare in the Crimea the Kursk offensive would almost certainly have been into Crimea instead and subsequently the Crimea back in Ukrainian hands by now.
Ukrainians are a proud people who have fought Russians off and on essentially since Catherine took control of the eastern, meaning Donbas Cossacks.
Last fall as I was wandering around one day with nothing to do before leaving Kyiv I stopped to read a memorial that I had passed by regularly on my way downtown, or to church, it was memorializing Stalin’s killing the last Hetman of the Zaporozhian Host. The memorial was erected within a year of the fall of the USSR… and Kyiv is not close to the most nationalist part of the country. Or wasn’t anyway before the invasion.
Ukrainian patriotism is being forged in this war. Even Zelinsky’s opponents acknowledge how grateful they are that he stayed and led the fight.
I don’t know where you get your information about how much money Z, or his group, are lining their pockets with. Z has offered to resign immediately, and pretty much everybody expects him to leave as soon as the war is done anyway. It is an easy start to a conversation to ask who should be his replacement.
In any event the corruption that exists is not near what the Russian oligarchs have been making off of the war. Patriotism, and anti-Russian sentiment, necessitates beating Russia above all else.

I totally agree. And make sure Europe knows not to either. There is no winner except Zelenskyy’s bank account.

I would love to see your evidence of this…certainly not the way he is viewed in Kyiv, nor even by those who are close to the Presidential office bureaucracy.

After the WH fiasco, Zelenskyy has no wiggle room. I don’t see how Trump can work with this idiot!

Europe and Zelenskyy have to decide if they will work with Trump or go it alone. NATO is in no way ready to take on Russia and they do not have the weapons to send to Ukraine. The Media is to blame for their campaign of mis information. All along they have painted a picture of Ukraine holding their own to Russia… The media would also have us believe that Russia has lost 700,000+ troops to Ukraine’s 140,000 when in fact, the opposite is true and Ukraine cannot replace troops fast enough while Russia has hardly dipped into their reserves.

Zelenskyy thought he could come into the WH and act like a Democrat, WORST THING HE COULD OF EVER DONE… he had listened to the bitter Dems who convinced him to argue with Trump over guarantees when he should of understood that Trump is in charge and wants the war to end.

Trump considers Ukraine as an extension of a corrupt Russia.
The Media painted Ukraine as a democratic nation like us that wants free elections and the Western way of life, nothing could be further from the truth. Zelenskyy has been milking the US for billions, the UN has been talking Nato inclusion. Neither of which will ever happen.

Russia considers Ukraine as part of the old Russia consortium. Trump knows this hense comes across as sympathetic to Russia when the truth is he knows this war can never be won and the US will continue to hemorage $$ and Ukraine will continue to lose all of their young men.
Trump was right to say, come back when you want peace Zelenskyy.

I’m not close enough to this (don’t know what’s true or not) to offer an opinion but I enjoy reading your and Harold’s perspectives especially.
A response Harold?

Used to believe as Harold, that Ukraine was wanting to be like the West, and the truth is, most Ukrainians want what we have, but just like all communist countries, the leadership is rotten to the core. When you unwrap the many layers, these countries are 90% built like Russia, maybe 10% built like a free capitalistic country.
What did the USA get from propping up the Shah of Iran? In the end, We get burnt.
100% have to support Israel, guys that will bomb Iran before they get a Nuke.

Russia is who they are so why did we get into this Ukraine war…blame Biden and his “open for business” policy of $$ for pay ethics. I send you a billion, you kick back 10 million.
Trump don’t play. He is a true patriot, one big narsistic patriot but a true patriot just the same.

Fish is right on all aspects of the war. Two communist countries fighting. I hope Trump can get some of the land for minerals so we aren’t beholden to China for much of it.

Having spent many months each year in Ukraine in the last three years…I would completely disagree. No people are foolish enough to want the poverty and oppression of Putin’s Russia, let alone the Ukrainians who have consistently voted against their leaders who wanted to kowtow to Moscow.

Completely true for the vast majority of Russian I have talked to…however Ukrainian have a very different view.
Ukrainian wars against Russia go back to before Catherine the Great conquered the Donbas. One merely needs to walk down the streets of major and minor cities of Ukraine to see monuments, old and new, pre-Soviet and post-Soviet to the heroes of the Ukrainian people.

And this war is forging an ever-stronger sense of anti-Russian patriotism even, perhaps especially, in the most war affected regions of Western Ukraine that were the most Russian leaning portions of the country until the predations of Putin’s war against the civilian population.

Yes, in Ukraine the casualties are profoundly deep. Twice now the government has lowered the age of the draft. As in unlike the US draft experience culling the young, the Ukrainian draft started with older men. Now I think the age of the draft has been lowered to age 25.

And yet the Ukrainian military has more volunteers that it can use…an odd mix. Drafting men at a younger and younger age while turning away volunteers…because if you volunteer you get to designate to a certain extent where you serve. The AI and drone operator volunteers are full to overflowing. The infantry, armor, and artillery are filled with draftees. and the physical standards or gradually being lowered. I have met Ukrainian men in Europe who were allowed to leave because they were deemed unfit for service who dare not go back even for family events because they would now be considered acceptable.

So far as I am aware Macron is the only EU leader who has openly stated his willingness to send boots on the ground while they are needed in the current circumstance. He has backed off now as the efforts seem to be more configuring the EU force that will be in place once the peace is secured.

I have met volunteers from many countries who are volunteering for their various reasons. Not so many now as two years ago, let alone three years ago.

The media depending on the source is all over the place. War is a fog and modern media and its massive inputs from
governments and
individuals
and of course corporations
each with their own various agendas
makes for more of a fog than in days of old.

My general rule of thumb is that when Russian and Ukrainian sources agree on an event, the details of the event are somewhere in between the specific facts being claimed.

US and UK, well and the five eyes alliance and its various collaborators are full of propaganda on the day to day, though the broader more strategic reports tend to be as reliable as any forecasting in the fog that is war can be.

It is Russia that does not want peace, not the Ukrainians.
Just as the case with Israel, when the aggressors stop the war will stop…Russia is the aggressor Ukraine knows it is in trouble without EU and US support.
And the longer the war has gone on the more important the EU support has become.

Trump’s shenanigans, or whatever you choose to call his bringing Z publicly to heel does nothing re getting Putin to stop his aggression…If Trump’s vaunted negotiation skills were up to the task Trumps first attempts at peace shortly after Jan 20th would have been more effectual.

And Zelensky is a true patriot, like his people caught in a border war that only Russia wanted; well maybe some warmongers in the swamp of DC did as well.

Before you attempt to go off on Trump, let me remind you it was Obama and Biden that played games with Ukraine through Hunter Biden. This led to Putin being able to take Crimea. His aggression ended with Trump1 cutting off oil and gas money from Europe. For 4 years no war. Then, Biden stole an election and we have had 4 years of war and world instability. You think it’s that simple for Trump 2 to waltz in on January 20th and end the war?

The bottom line is Ukraine can’t win unless we want to intervene militarily and drag all of NATO in with us, or vice versa. Ukraine is not worth WW3 and Biden spent BILLIONS for nothing. Zelensky is going to have to make some concessions to end this. That is the unpleasant fact.

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Hope so. But, the way the world has gone woke and crazy, is this the beginning of the Second Coming?

tell that to the people in charge. You could say the same about Russian people. That was not the point.

100% agree to the extent that Trump was foolish for trusting Zelenskyy especially after he (Zelenskyy) met with the Dems, who could care less about Ukraine, they just want to embarrass Trump. Trump should of signed the deal, then brought in the cameras, what a sh t show.

Yeah, talk to me in 5 years. we will see if Zelenskyy is a true patriot or if he is rotten to the core as every leader in commie countries.

right. Zelenskyy misread the room in front of the entire world. Then he ran to Europe, where they did their level best to rub it in Trump’s face. Let them figure it out. If you really want USA’s help, be humble, grateful and never bite the hand that keeps you alive…or, you can run to Europe and see if their cheese and wine can save your little hide. So tired of others assuming the good ol USofA will bail you out.