I’d blame both Obama and Biden. Biden gave Iran the opportunity to sell its oil again after 4 years of Trump’s ban. Same with Russia too. I know the Democrat Party leaders have strayed way left into Marxist territory. But usually Marxists don’t want other countries to be stronger than they are including other communist countries. The Party has fallen to 27% approval and CNN viewership was just at 275,000 a few days ago. Yet, the continue down the same path.
Israel has pretty well wrecked Iran and at present it doesn’t appear anybody wants to intervene on Iran’s behalf, however Iran isn’t completely wrecked and won’t be until their underground nuclear facility Fordow is taken out. Israel doesn’t have the capability to take it out from the air but the US could probably take it out with 2 or 3 bunker buster bombs. Should we do that? Iran has threatened the US multiple times going back a number of years. Is that justification for us to land the final blow and wreck Iran for the foreseeable future?
Iran is the sponsor of Hamas, Hezbollah, and the Houthis. They are Iran proxies. The Houthis have fired on US ships so these terror groups are not strictly an Israeli problem. Kill the head and the rest of the body dies. Iran is governed by evil men who greatly abuse their own citizens. It is possible most Iranians would welcome the downfall of the Mullahs.
If we get directly involved only to the extent we take out Fordow does that ignite WW III?
I don’t think Trump involves us beyond taking out Fordow. We don’t even know if he will do that, but some have said that the only thing keeping the Ayatollah in power is the existence of Fordow and if Fordow falls the Ayatollah may fall. Neither the US, nor Israel should get involved in overthrowing the Iranian government but destroying their military and nuclear capabilities is certainly a worthy objective. The Iranian people can take care of their evil leaders if they choose to do so and if not wrecking Iran as a military threat is desirable.
A great source of information on the conflict is Ben Shapiro. He interviews people in the know on his Daily Wire podcasts and takes a great interest in this because he is Jewish. I subscribe to the Daily Wire but his podcasts are available on YouTube later in the day for free. Yes Ben is a biased source, but in my estimation an accurate source. Much more reliable than the MSM on this issue.
If history has taught us anything from the removal of Saddam Hussein in Iraq, it’s this: never leave a power vacuum. The fallout can be devastating.
I’m unclear about Israel’s ultimate objective, but if they eliminate current leadership without a clear plan for what follows, it could lead to even more instability—with far-reaching and unpredictable consequences.
As for Iran, is its leadership harmful? Absolutely. But without a viable alternative in place, any action must be taken with extreme caution—something I fear Trump may not be equipped to handle.
Taking out the less than dozen nuclear program sites in Iran does nothing approaching taking out Iran, may or may not be close to making the Mahomedan Revolutionary government fall.
Iran’s population is over 90 million; the only chance Israel has is to keep the war very short and very specifically aimed at taking out the nuclear projects in the country. Well, I suppose the other options are to bring in allies, though how likely any other Mahomedan countries are to participate is limited given that virtually all of them I think except Jordan have signed a declaration condemning the Israeli attacks.
The first week of a war is hardly the time to be able to judge the accuracy of any report of any activity.
Pray for peace quickly…
Sadly true…though to be fair many of the problems all across the region are, and especially in Iraq, hopefully soon to be were, caused by the Mahomedan Revolutionary government that at its core is Fascist and as near as I can tell has all of the worst hallmarks of such a government.
The Persians are a great people with a proud history. Unfortunately, the only time that a democracy was tried was early in our Cold War with the Russian Empire, named the USSR at the time, and the Cold Warriors in our CIA gutted the democratic results and put in the autocratic Shah, whose friendship with us didn’t save him and made us the in the eyes of the Mahomedan Republic the Great Satan to Israel’s more diminutive status.
They, or their proxies, have killed hundreds, if not thousands of us, in the 45 years since then.
But yes, the unknown power vacuum is a bit, maybe a lot concerning, more concerning than an expansive Revolutionary Mahomedan government with a nuclear, or at least atomic, missile is the tough question. I am glad saner minds, meaning Rubio and Vance, are likely to have a say in the decision than the mercurial Trump.
I don’t believe the objective of the Israelis is to overthrow the Iranian government. The objective is to wreck them as a military power and it appears they are on their way to doing that unless Russia or China intervene. That doesn’t appear to be likely at this point.
I would hope our only involvement would be to drop a couple of bunker buster bombs on their underground nuclear site. Maybe the Israelis can find another way to take it out without our intervention. That would be the best outcome.
Eventually things will blow up over there. It is in Book of Revelation and a number of places in the Old Testament. Let’s just hope Armageddon is not right around the corner.
Whether the Mullahs are overthrown is not the objective it is to destroy their military. Maybe the Iranian people will rebel..
Iran’s military is about twice the size of Israel’s. So, no easy task.
Israel is being hit by rockets aimed at civilian targets regularly and they are nearly out of their vaunted air defense systems rockets barely a week in.
Iran strategically is far stronger. It dominates the Persian Gulf, and more importantly the Strait of Hormuz. Iran can bring the Western world’s might to heal by shutting down that all important strait. They nearly did just by having their proxy shut down the Suez and the Red Sea at Bab el-Mendeb. Not to mention just this week by interfering with the GPS transmissions near Hormuz they caused the crash of two oil tankers…and they weren’t even trying to cause the Hormuz shutdown. They were just trying to make it difficult for Israeli air to attack them…if they try to shut Hormuz, another Praying Mantis is not likely to make any difference.
Naval, nor air, assets don’t cause much effective damage against land assets. It takes boots on the ground. Just ask Trump what he thinks about his naval escapades against the Houthis…no more effective than Biden’s, though costing a lot more. USMC assets are not going to be introduced, and Israel has no significant amphibious resources of its own. Israel had better improve its destructive aim against the nuclear targets fast…and hope that Iran is not emboldened.
If that is the case, why does Netanyahu talk about regime change? I agree with everything you have posted but I do think that Isreal would like to see Iranians to rise up and reject the radical Muslim extremism.
I have spent a lot of time in all of those countries. The people do NOT think for themselves, they believe the words of their Imans, Mullahs and Caliphs. They are completely brainwashed and that is the BIG problem
It is my understanding that Iran has lost about half its rocket launchers and has no air defense. It is also my understanding that every time they launch a missile it reveals where the launcher is and Israel takes it out. They have no Air Force and no air defense. The aim isn’t conquest but to wreck their ability to develop a nuclear bomb and wreck their military.
Those inside of Iran are seeing a lot of movement…Collapse of leadership. Planes from China flying in to airlift those that want out.
Reza Pahlavi, the exiled crown prince of Iran and a prominent opposition figure, posted yesterday, “Sources inside Iran say that the regime’s command and control structures are collapsing at a rapid pace. Meanwhile, the international community is beginning to realize that the Islamic Republic has no future. Our discussions about a post-Islamic Republic Iran have begun.”
Those of you that have read “Larence of arabia” know what happened when he told the leaders that they were free and to get together and decide their constitution and who would lead??? When he got back, they had drawn swords and a few were already dead.
Several reports now that Fordow is gone…the battle damage assessment usually takes longer.
I ran across one report that Israel also hit Bandar Abbas, the major port, well only deep port, on the Strait of Hormuz. Given they hit it a week ago, the BDA must not have been acceptable.
Trumps reaching out asking for peace in his 4 minute speech was ideal, what Bush should have done for Afghanistan and Iraq back in the day.
We just did this we can do more but can we please have peace…
Now we sit back and see if they respond positively…given 45 years of not stopping I would be betting on retaliation against Saudi, US, and Jewish targets internationally.
Probably should add Iraq and Syria to the list as US targets seem more readily available. and thankfully they are mostly uniformed or quasi-uniformed.
Those of you that watched Hannity after Trumps speech saw that over the past 50 years, Iran has been killing Americans throughout the world. They were at war with us from the Carter years.
[Iran’s deadly attacks on US forces and citizens span more than 30 years | Fox News]
(Iran's deadly attacks on US forces and citizens span more than 30 years | Fox News)
One thing everyone believes: When Trump says he will do something, it gets done
Iranian and Iranian-Backed Attacks Against Americans (1979-Present)
Yes, I will forever remember a course taught by visiting Army officers about how the US should meet the terrorist forces…it was taught in the Maeser Building and the two sources of attacks were the Palestinians and the Iranians.
The war in Ukraine will end when?
How about the denuclearization of North Korea?
Houthi stopping their attacks on Red Sea Shipping? the end of their attacking Israel?
You can look up the Trump TACO meme’s some of them are funny; some are just mean spirited.
My impression of Trump is that he is very much a NY real estate mogul. Great at throwing out ideas for deals, and being a New Yorker, that includes a fair amount of bombast and threats which everyone in NY knows are just used for emphasis, but makes the American left quiver. If Trump finds a willing partner, he proceeds if not he moves on…much like the way the tariffs are or were being handled earlier this year.
And in the Israel-Iran case, the Iranians refused to deal, and Bibi provided a deal that looked good.
And of course, being the NYer, Trump also has a great respect for Jews…and Bibi is nothing if not Jewish.
Iran looks like they are taking steps to close Hormuz…if they proceed and succeed oil will skyrocket…Trumps economic turnaround will turnaround.
Hopefully, Iranians will have some cooler heads to agree to the end of the nuclear power plant lies and end the 45-year proxy war against reality.
And unfortunately, reliable reports say that much of the most highly processed uranium was moved before American bombs dropped. Where to? unknown. So damage is to the equipment not the actual bomb making material. Vance Signals Iran Still Controls Enriched Uranium Stockpile
all good points:
Good luck Iran in mining the Strait…Trump has 2 fleets in the area. One single ship would stop them. The Israelis are busy bombing their on deep water port. We are 2 or 3 steps ahead of anything these terrorists think up.
There are many layers to Trump that have never seen the light of day thanks to our “agenda” legacy media, who by the way, have managed to turn off 87% of americans.
Did you know that Trumps children spent summers growing up hunting and fishing with Gramps?
They are far from coddled clueless NYorkers (and anytime a NYorker opens his mouth, they get a eyeroll from me) That City rivals San Fran as the most disgusting cesspool of ideas and garbage both material and people wise, I guess Chicago could vie for the top spot
As far as Iran goes, Khamenei has his two children as his successors…LOL they going to meet their maker soon, Like dad, they too will live their days in tunnels just ask Isreal. Iran could pull off some terrorist cells but they have been checkmated on an international scale Where is Ayatollah Ali Khamenei? Iran’s Supreme leader names ‘3 successors’ amid assassination scare
Like I said, Don’t screw with Isreal.
The fact that all the Arab nations are tight lipped speaks volumes. NOBODY likes the bully on the block. Everyone not named Palestinians are 100% against Iran having a Nuc.
The fact that China a Russia have been completely silent outside of the routine condemnation also speaks volumes. Iran in on it’s own. Will not end well for them unless they sue for peace and work out a real deal with Trump.
The fact that only a couple of loose luney tune Dems are condemning the bunker busters and the words impeachment; speaks to how everyone really feels about Iran having a Nuc…I flipped over to CNN after the bombs, they were all but applauding the strike.
I am shocked at the lack of protest over this after what we saw the previous weeks NO KINGs march. Paints a pretty stark picture.
I have read reports of Chinese and Russian aircraft landing in Iran, nothing but speculation on what they carried in or out.
Iranian controlled tankers have left their normal hangouts near Singapore and headed towards China…China is the largest international buyer of Iranian oil…who cares what western trade measures are in place…
Personally, I hope that Israel has a list of targets that will stop the Iranian production of drones…I haven’t checked to see if Iran is using the same models to attack Israel as they are selling to Russia to attack Ukraine…yes I am aware that most of the explosions in Israel are from ballistic missiles…the vaunted Israeli air coverage appears to have some holes…but some of the Iranian drones are getting through as well.
Given the lack of damage or casualties with the missiles that hit Qatar it seems that Iran let the Qataris now ahead of time…some commentators specifically mention that the joint communique signed by most of the Arab speaking nations condemning Israel’s attacks were meant to communicate to Iran…don’t look at us.
Jordan, the part of the British Mandate that Britain illegally set aside for the Palestinian Arabs, seems to be taking out a fair number of Iranian missiles…sending attacks through the air of neighboring countries without permission is of course, a war crime…something Iran and Hamas and Hezbollah, and the Houthis are good at without mention from the international media…though of course the odd democrat in Congress wants to impeach Trump for violating international law for his sending the bombers …