I’ve heard the statement thrown around in gospel doctrine every few years, but I’ve never seen a statement saying that this is the doctrine.
Nope. None of them have. Inaction by the administration and Board of Trustees is a sore point with their parents.
We know Jesus is a glorified man. That is doctrine. And so is Father in Heaven. If Jesus had to be baptized, he certainly would need to be sealed to reside in the highest degree of the Celestial Kingdom.
This trend has been in the making for decades. One of the aims of the Marxists was to take over the educational institutions from the elementary school levels to the graduate levels. They succeeded in many places several decades ago and unfortunately too many BYU faculty members were indoctrinated in those institutions. The cancer took hold in academia and apparently has metastasized to the point it has taken hold at BYU. This is sickening. The malignant tumor needs to cut out. BYU is supposed to be different and a refuge from the silly, pseudo intellectual, psychobabble you have documented.
BYU, when I was there (1973-1975) taught academic subjects without ideological preaching other than the truths found in the words of the prophets and in the scriptures. That is righteous indoctrination not woke lies. The facts about Marxism and all sorts of philosophies were taught without advocating them. When BYU starts advocating for the woke garbage found in the rest of academia we are left wondering where our children and grandchildren can receive a good education minus the brainwashing at the hands of the brainwashed.
It reminds me of what is written in 2 Nephi 9 about it being good to be learned if we hearken unto the counsel of God. It seems that some of these learned fools got everything backwards. Learn eternal truths first and then weigh all other information against them. They fulfill Paul’s prophecy in 2nd Timothy 3:7 about men ever learning but never coming to a knowledge of the truth.
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I can’t speak to what BYU professors teach, I know several young people who go there and seems to be okay and understands the difference between what the professors say and what the Gospel teaches.
But I do want to address something that I believe may contribute to our young people being led away to the wiles of radical professors.
In the past two decades I have noticed that LDS parents were relying more on the church to teach the “correct principals” than doing the teaching themselves within the walls of their own homes.
Then you add the extra “sugar” of being taught that they are special because they belong to the “Only true church” not being allowed to associate with “non-believers”. Because they might teach them something wrong (seen that within my own ward) Then you add in that parents today do not hold their kids responsible for their actions. The parents always blame the teacher, the coach, the whatever that caused their kids to fail, instead of the fact the kid was not good enough to be the next College star or that he did not apply himself to succeed.
Second part of my comment deals with how kids today get so much noise in their lives. They have ready access to the internet where anyone can post crap about the church whether is true or not. How do they sort through the “noise”? I have adult friends that have left the church because for years the church whitewashed the history.
For example: Do you actually know what actually caused the persecutions in Missouri? In JS papers he comments that he warned the members to “Stop telling the locals that this was Zion, and this land was going to be theirs”. It was this uppity attitude of the saints towards the local that actually caused the persecutions to start. Their attitudes made it possible for the anti-Mormon mob to light the match.
This is all well documented in the writings of Joseph Smith.
This is not true, they did not leave the church because of what the Professors taught them, they left because they did not have a sound foundation in the Gospel to anchor too.
Do you go to church because that is the social thing to do? I believe many members do that, they never have developed a strong testimony in the Gospel of Christ (I am not talking about the church here).
I have long staid that some people that are members of the LDS church have become the Pharisees and Sadducees of Christ time. Based on their behavior and attitudes. That is why many years ago I separated my beliefs in the Gospel of Christ from the Church Organization. Otherwise, I would have left the church a long time ago based on the treatment I get. (I am an acquired taste)/
I am glad the church has gone away from the “We are the only true church” to “all churches have some truths and we do not want to take away from that” (Last conference talk).
One last thing, you claim the mission is different than when we went. I happen to agree with that because the missionaries that went out with me knew how to deal with failure, being on your own and standing up for what is truth. Today’ missionaries may know the scriptures backwards and forward, but they do not have the mental strength to deal with the rigors of being a missionary.
That is my take, I am not saying it is only truth, but working with inner city members who work two or three jobs just to survive, and yet is willing to go out at a bishop request to help someone else without complaint, while my home ward has the sub for Santa program that they video so they all can see “what great people” we are, see how we “share”?
Agree with all you said, Floyd. At the end of the day, each person is responsible for his own testimony, regardless of professors. Strong family life is a much bigger factor. I would just hope that BYU didn’t provide access and exposure for those seeking to undermine.
Also strongly agree about the caliber of missionaries we have. My only beef is that the missionary program coddles this state of things, instead of trying to train them in a better way. It’s become an extended activity program for young adults (to try to keep them active and from leaving the Church after the mission), not an actual missionary program. We had a visiting Seventy tell us in the adult session of stake conference that it is our duty to see that the missionaries only have positive experiences, and never negative ones. Shield them from them! That’s the real reason why tracting and finding (face to face, not on the phone) have been deemphasized — not the alleged ineffectiveness of it. It’s also why baptisms have slipped to only 90,000 from 400,000 decades ago. We aren’t really trying to find people; it’s not the objective of the program.
We generally agree with Church stuff. Same here. Most young adults don’t have strong testimonies. They are in a time frame of questioning everything and getting their testimonies strong again. What should not happen at a Church school are professors undermining doctrine and the Church direction including the administration of things. If he says he’s lost kids to false doctrine and woke agendas at BYU. I’m planning on writing a letter as an alumni of BYU Provo to BYU and the Brethren asking why this is happening. If all alumni did this, those department heads and administrators would stop hiring liberal teachers.
The other thing is the Church as taught that other religions have some truth. It was in the old Temple films for the endowment. Just thought I’d point that out.
After reading your post and posting myself I was outraged that the garbage you cited is advocated by some BYU faculty. I have cooled off a bit and I would assume these things are isolated to a few professors, however, this stuff should not be advocated by any of them and those that advocate these things should not be hired and those on staff should be admonished to desist or be terminated.
The problem is that most of academia not only advocates all kinds of evil philosophies it also censors any kind of counter arguments to many of them. BYU educate their students concerning the ideas that are out there but never advocate those that run counter to gospel doctrine and moral principles.
The Brethren (Board of Trustees) and administration are well aware of all this, Scott (cf. Elder Holland’s musket fire talk, where he quotes letters from angry and concerned parents). The problem is that they are so averse to criticism and bad publicity that they either remain silent or are very slow to act. Two examples of this: the “radio silence” on gay dating after the honor Code office announced it wouldn’t “enforce” that any more (pictures and stories in national media of students gay kissing in front of the Brigham Young statue). And silence and inaction on the protests at school and repeated lighting of the Y in rainbow colors. When the school finally said this is prohibited, it happened again without consequences. It’s a game of chicken, and the agitators are confident that BYU won’t actually arrest trespassers and protestors. Given BYU’s timidity, they are right.
The same applies to these “rogue’s gallery” Videos of outrageous professors and classes.
Did or did not many of the of the current Apostles and First Presidency sign the The Family: A Proclamation to the World? Has this Doctrine changed? The last time I looked, we believe Jesus Christ did live and was born a boy in the manger, not a gender neutral child both boy and girl. I do know that not all teachers at BYU are members of the Church. But, certainly they should know what the Doctrine is on this subject and refrain from teaching contrary to the Doctrines of the Church to keep their jobs. And, shame on the Administration and BOT for allowing this to go on.
With this said, the Church and BYU is trying to work with these challenges and by doing so with care. We want to include people that have these issues. But, that does not include allowing false doctrine to be taught at BYU or in the Church.
The Proclamation is being deemphasized. When was the last time you saw it even being referred to? It’s being deemphasized/not referred to because of the items in it that are unpopular right now (e.g., gender is an essential part of individual premortal, mortal, and eternal identity and purpose; fathers are supposed to preside and provide for their families, mothers are primarily responsible for nurturing, etc.). Most of the Church (including the Brethren, I believe) still believe these things, but the Brethren are really averse to criticism and bad publicity, and there is a big push towards outreach to stridently liberal factions in the Church. So, there is mostly silence while the obnoxious, abrasive liberal agitators within the Church rail without comment or pushback.
Unfortunately, as more people vote with their feet and stop attending/supporting BYU, the concentration of students, families, and professors with these worldviews at BYU will probably increase. BYU has already stated it wants to massively increase its enrollment and faculty among non-LDS and “BIPOC” (non-white) populations. The language used in the 26 point action plan put out by BYU is loaded with the cringey buzzwords we know so well from Marxist agitators (“safe spaces,” “cultural taxation burdens,” etc.). I’m disappointed in President Worthen and the Board of Trustees for going along with this.
BYU report on race: Committee says school must root out racism without delay - Deseret News (go to the bottom of the article for the 26 point plan).