Jim, Sabonis picked 11th

I am not trying to prove an ability to read the minds of referees. That is a long shot stretch and conclusion you are making based on nothing.

There is absolutely no reason you need the proof you seek or that some “conspiracy” needs to be “leaked” in order to see what is going on. You do not see these seemingly one sided called games. Why are you saying that? You have never, not once, acknowledged that there has been a “one sided called game”… never. Why would you say that now?

There is a pattern in this league that has become entrenched. I have watched it with bewilderment for the past 5 years. There are numerous reasons for why it happens and the fact that it does happen is unprecedented. No other league in the entire world of college basketball has one team that has dominated so heavily the conference championship and tournament championship like Gonzaga has in the west coast conference. Especially in today’s world of parity in college basketball and sports in general it doesn’t happen. When I put all the pieces of the puzzle together… the favoritism in meaningful games, the unfavorable calls year after year on the BYU bigs, the inability of BYU to break Gonzaga’s streaks since BYU entered the league after the thrashing the Zags took at the hands of Jimmer, the favoritism shown the Zags in meaningful games against the rest of the conference (Santa Clara, St. Mary’s and others) and many other “coincidental” facts… when I put all of those pieces together, the puzzle is complete. I don’t need faxes and emails… nobody needs those, including you. The fact that Gonzaga is a quality program inhibits your ability to see it but that doesn’t mean it isn’t there.

Gonzaga’s success could be likened to a drug… the wcc distributes it, the officials and many fans take it and many have become addicted to it. You are one of those addicts and you have become so used to it that you are numbed by the effects. Just like a drug addict trying to kick a habit, it is a difficult thing to beat. I am trying to do an intervention here and you are refusing treatment. Fortunately there are some here that see it too and they are in the room trying to convince you as well… but like the tv show, some people simply refuse help. There is a problem but nobody is willing to acknowledge it and kick the habit… too much money involved, too risky to lose the golden goose. Gonzaga isn’t going anywhere, BYU could leave the wcc at any time and everyone knows it.

No, what is ridiculous is that you are completely unaware of it.

There are other reasons for the appearance of one-sides games. It doesn’t have to be intentional by the referees. It doesn’t have to be a fix. Honestly, aren’t there other reasons for the one-sides refereeing? Like BYU actually hacks and fouls more than GU? Like the fact refs get out of position and don’t see everything. That GU simply has more talent year on year out?

Once again, you are missing the point. In your never ending quest to prove me wrong (this isn’t the only topic, pretty much everything else ends up being a mission of yours to prove someone wrong) you do everything you can. I have never said that your observations are necessarily wrong, but rather your conclusions aren’t always right. I will acknowledge that my conclusions are not always right as well. Sometimes I draw the wrong conclusion by saying that the game was fixed or rigged. I do not believe there is some deep seeded conspiracy to keep BYU from winning the wcc.

Having said that, the most important thing that is happening and the thing you REFUSE to consider is the fact that Gonzaga is the golden goose and gets favorable treatment. That favorable treatment doesn’t take place in every game they play. Most of the time they are the better, more well coached team and they win on talent, effort and coaching. But there are enough examples of important or significant games, the ones where winning keeps them in the mix for a ncaa berth or wcc title, in the which they are given favorable calls, allowed just a little more leeway, take a few more foul shots than their opponent. This is a pattern that I have seen over the years and it certainly explains the most important factor for why they are there, winning that ncaa berth or wcc title every single year.

I know you either won’t understand this or won’t acknowledge this possibility, even though it has been explained to death. At this point in time I am okay with that because everyone else who reads this does and many of them agree with what I am saying to some degree, perhaps not as strongly as I do, but they see what I am talking about. It is undeniable.

By your definition, it is improper for someone to develop an opinion of someone’s guilt until there has been a thorough investigation and all the information is out there. In that case, I’d better change my opinion of Hilary’s emails because I haven’t actually read the emails. I can’t prove she did anything wrong with Bengazi. I can’t prove that the Clinton’s are laundering money through their charitable organization. She says that she is mostly conservative so, since I don’t have damning evidence to the contrary…
I think it’s not unreasonable for a fan to have an opinion regarding the issue of fairness in the WCC. I don’t have an opinion on the subject personally. I have seen evidence of bias, however, I currently am leaning towards it being incidental rather than intentional.

Yes, GU has been better than most teams they play and Few is able to make sure they win 99% of those games. Unlike what Rose has done against lesser teams in cracker box gyms.
As far as those important games, even a deliberate slight influence by referees would constitute a deliberate fix. Are you saying the league and NCAA bosses are asking refs to influence those games directly or indirectly?

I’m open about her responses. But, so far there is proof (emails, etc). With the referees, there is no proof, just observations. Rather than say refs have shown unintentional bias, I say refs are human and make mistakes due to experience, eyesight, angles, noise and other possible reasons. Jim is saying it has to be intentional. So, I’m asking for real evidence. What’s so wrong with that?

The problem is that is where your analysis and observation ends. I am able to take it one step further, and yes this is only my opinion, by stating that I believe Gonzaga is the beneficiary of these supposed mistakes by officials 99% of the time in games that have importance. This is where you give up. You can’t see or understand this aspect of it. You believe that it is just officiating mistakes that cause the results that Glenn so clearly explained to you. I do not. I see a pattern of these “officiating mistakes” that always seem to go against the teams that Gonzaga plays in meaningful games. I’m not just talking about BYU, I’m not just wearing blue goggles. I’d love to see some supposed officiating mistakes that helped a team other than Gonzaga to win a meaningful wcc game… you know, one that meant the difference between a ncaa berth or not, one that meant the difference between a wcc title or not. The wcc is the only league in the country where one team has dominated for so long.

I just don’t believe it is going to happen… ever. If BYU or St. Mary’s or any other wcc team is going to win the league and/or keep Gonzaga out of the ncaa tournament it is going to take a small miracle to do so. The stars will have to align, the officials will have to be neutralized, Coach Few will have to be ignored to maintain objectivity and other things. Of course if Gonzaga is that much better than every other team (something they aren’t every year) it won’t matter. I’m sorry… they are a good/great program, but the current situation has made them invincible and it isn’t all their own doing.