LMU report card

Rose has possibly the worst 1st half of coaching ever…LMU is red hot, shooting 68%, and Rose takes out some starters and puts Aytes in…then Shaw. Why would you leave your standard rotation to do such a bone headed thing? Atyes turns it over 3 straight times and Shaw can’t do a thing against Jacko. LMU goes up 13. Hey, teams get on runs. You have to not only see it but you have to compete.

LMU is not a good team, not by a long shot but we managed to let them have a million open looks in the 1st half and they knocked the 3s down. I am proud of our two phenom Fr, Emery and Saljaas, they sucked it up and in the 2nd half hit big shot after big shot. On Defense, both of them got burned over and over when they looked away and Haynie and co hit some easy to defend 3s. They learned a ton in this game and they will need it as Pepperdine is much better.

Collinsworth earned every single stat he got on his way to a triple double. 15 Assists by himself after that joke of 10 for the entire team up at Portland, what a change. I was certainly worried about the game after LMU scored 50 in the half but to hold them to 80 for the game is a small miracle.

BYU would have lost the game if Jacko had not got into foul trouble. He was a game changer in every way that KC is a game changer for BYU. Jacko altered almost all of BYU’s inside shots and got over 1/2 of the LMU rebounds.

Once again BYU could not stop a quick point guard from getting inside only to dump the ball to a wide open teammate. But whatever Rose said in the locker room worked and BYU had a complete reversal in the 2nd to cruise to an easy win.

If I could criticize Rose in a strong 2nd half, it would be that when LMU left Jacko in at the 14 minute mark, for some reason Rose did not have KC go right at Jacko to try to draw the 5th foul. If was as if nobody realized that they should not worry about Jacko defending them until the 6 minute mark in the game and then KC and Fish took turns going inside and drawing fouls or hitting a wide open Emery or Saljaas.

Now off to Pepperdine and a tougher, savvy team that will not fold if they get a good lead on BYU

It’s easy to get more assists when you increase shooting percentage by 11%.
It’s a shame KC never developed a midrange shot. He would average 30+ a game.

One more thing…Corbin K is still wondering how he got blocked. Someone has got to take him and Aytes and set them down in front of game film. They have got to see some of their bad habits and truly work on them. Collecting yourself and taking dribbles down low gives defenses too much time to get back and dig the ball out of your hands or put the biggest smack down in WCC history.

How do you go from being wide open to getting stuffed by not one, but two guys? Come on, man

and another, Davis is the quiet double double guy that saves BYU’s bacon. We would not be where we are without his consistent inside game. KC and Fischer get all the press but Davis is our foundation to consistency.

I think at this point the team has proven itself.
It doesn’t play all that well consistently.
But it has toughness…which in the last few years has been missing at BYU.
KC’s leadership and his staying in the moment are finally turning things around.
Fischer finally developing consistency and Austin providing a steady force in the middle have definitely helped too.

And yet…this toughness, except for the game in the Kennel, is being exhibited against, bad to horrible teams… does it really show anything when you can come back against a team that you shouldn’t have to come back against?

The last few days, BYU beating the Zags, and now SMU beating the Zags, the punditry have frequently commented on how down the WCC is this year and how likely it will be a 1 bid league.
The Cougs cannot lose until the tourney final, if then, to be safely inside the bubble. At this point they’re not even really in the bubble conversation, except for those carefully watching the WCC or the PAC12.

Hey Chris… I did a little research to try and determine what the most important factors were in determining the number of assists for any given game. This was a scientific/numbers study with no preconceived ideas about what the important factors would be. I included the shooting %, the # of assists, a win or loss and the # of points scored. For sake of accuracy, I subtracted the # of free throws made from the total # of points scored, because there are no assists on made free throws.

What I found was that the #1 most important factor that reflected a high # of assists (19+ in a game) was the number of points scored in that game. I was actually hoping that shooting % would be a primary reason for a high number of assists but I couldn’t draw any conclusions, nor show any correlation between those two numbers. It is interesting that in two games where BYU shot 50% for the game, they had only 12 and 14 assists, resulting in 1 loss and 1 win. Also, there were a couple games where BYU shot a low % (40,43) and still had a decent # (18,17) of assists.

Ultimately the most important and obvious correlation for having a high number of assists was the number of points scored. The games with the highest # of assists (19+) directly correlated to the games where BYU scored the highest # of points (77+) I tried to find a correlation for assists and shooting % but it wasn’t clear or obvious. It happened in several games but not consistently.

I think this will be helpful for some fans who make assumptions that might not be accurate. It might help them understand the game better.

Bingo, Fischer is the poster child of consistency now…if only we could get KC not to have high turnovers, BYU would be a lock for post season.

Hawks, that is a lot of mumbo jumbo for me to read… :smile:

The true value of an assist comes in tough games to teams that have great defenses…think about it.

In the WCC where only SMC and GU play any kind of defense, BYU can manufacture a shot anyway they like but in games where every possession counts, the assist almost always comes after a player has gotten past his man and the defending team has to collapse for help.

The 2.5:1 assist to turnover ratio is good. I think 6 turnovers is okay when you have 15 assists. The most important thing is that KC was focused on SHARING the ball, it was something he said he wanted to FOCUS on. That makes sense because he obviously didn’t shoot as much (6 attempts) this game. Obviously he got the message about being SELFISH and made some CHANGES. The fact that he and Fischer, the two senior leaders are UNDERSTANDING that concept better is the thing that can point this TEAM in the right direction. I am totally impressed with Fischer… what a difference between now and the start of the season when he forced shots, was out of control, made poor decisions, etc. He plays within himself and the offense, makes good decisions, doesn’t force it and most importantly shares the scoring load. 5 guys in double figures scoring and 28 assists will almost always win a game, no matter who you are playing.

Let’s hope they can keep it going tomorrow vs. Pepperdine.

You are correct. Jim made the study too elementary and left out the defense abilities. I’m also wondering about his arithmetic. Subtracting FT, the only way to get an assist is to make the shot. I think Jim needs to correlate the number of shots taken too and the type of shots. The missed layups with 2 or three offensive rebounds before a make lower the shooting percentage but not necessarily score or assists.

Too many variables to take this seriously :smile:

Fact is, shooting percentage off passes is what you need to count.

1st half: We played zone for very long stretches and got positively DESTROYED. Our rotations are way too slow because most of our guys are way too slow. Not rocket science there. Emery (who is not slow) looks pretty good in man D, but then looks totally lost when we play zone.
2nd half: Came out with 4 guards and played man, with KC often on Jacko. World of difference.

I’m not sure why we ever play zone. It was a good halftime adjustment by Coach Rose.

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If I showed you the chart that depicted the numbers and circled the highest numbers in each column it would be easier to see and understand. The narrative made it too confusing.

Suffice it to say that shooting % does not correlate directly to the # of assists. The most direct correlation is between # of points scored and assists.

Lots of assists = lots of points scored.

Lots of assists does not equal high shooting %.

Does that help?

Yes, KC and Fish both now understand that in order to win on the road, they have to go to the hoop, and often. Not only is road trip shooting tougher from long distance but have you noticed that BYU got Sabonis, then Jacko last night in foul trouble and that spelled the end to both GU and LMU.
That is the key to road game winning.

One more point on assists/turnovers; Lets say that Davis has a turnover (and he has plenty) rarely does that turn into a fast break for the other team because Davis is down low but if KC or Emery have turnovers, they almost always lead to a easy two for the other team…so KC’s turnovers are VERY problematic.

Of the 6 turnovers KC had last night, 2 came from behind and KC’s teammates not giving him a head’s up, 2 more came from poor choices where he dribbled into traffic, and only 2 came from LMU tilling lanes and picking off a good pass (those are good turnovers if there is such a thing)

Excellent point Tom and good observation. I noticed that as well.

I hope that the BYU bigs watch film of Jacko. He is a JC transfer for crying out loud, but I hope they notice how he caught passes, rarely putting the ball on the floor and certainly not wasting any time, going strong to the basket.

The biggest thing on offense was how well BYU shared the ball and KC did what he said he needed to do… “get guys shots and get his teammates going”. They certainly wanted to win this game, but they wanted to do it as a team and not by themselves, just like Rose wants them to do.

Another good observation and important aspect of how the outcome is determined. A little better communication might have saved KC from a couple of those turnovers. When he turned on the aggression defensively and offensively in the second half they weren’t ready for it. He showed maturity and the triple double came without everyone focusing on it. Those are the best kind.

also Jacko was toast because of foul problems in the 2nd. When he couldn’t control the post, LMU was done. You could see it in their coach’s eyes when he had to bench Jacko.

Pepperdine will not fold like LMU. They have the horses to go the distance. If they get up big on BYU like almost everyone in the WCC tends to do before we wake up, BYU is a guaranteed loss.

No, you simply don’t understand the type of statistic analysis you are attempting. I did many such projects in my major at BYU in sports analysis. The degree of variance is so wide that your conclusion doesn’t work. Too many other things enter into your equation to make any sort of true conclusions. I tried to explain it but again it went over your pay grade :laughing:

No comment other than the correlation is so absolute and correct that there is no need to account for variations.

I’m an engineer, I know numbers. I know what I did. People are free to draw their own conclusions.

You may be an engineer but that doesn’t help with the statistic analysis you are attempting. Too many other variables exist to make your rudimentary attempt plausible :slight_smile:

I thought the same thing until I actually compared the numbers side by side.

Unfortunately you are wrong again because the numbers don’t lie. It is factual evidence from which you can draw your own conclusions… like the one about shooting % being the best indicator of # of assists. It just isn’t the case… yes there is a small correlation but not nearly as precise and predictable as number of points scored. It was pretty gratifying to find out that I was right once again. :grinning:

Let the backtracking and excuse making begin!!!