Once Biden is gone. Who will be the nominee?

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Just saw Joe Manchin may convert back to a dem and run for president.
Getting even crazier! Buckle up, this ride as gone through some major twists and turns but there will be more, much more. Pop some popcorn and get settled in!

Tell you what, let’s go on record whom you think the dem candidate will be. We do this with sports afterall.
Let’s see, Kamala is the leader in the clubhouse, but I think dem leaders and controllers don’t really think she can win against Trump. She’s an air-head light-weight.
So I’ll go against current thinking and go with Whitmer. A woman who has at least governed. They will do something to try to keep black women on board. Black men don’t really like Harris either. Young people really don’t like her.
Yep, convinced myself Whitmer is their best shot with a Manchin a second choice,.

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Have you watched the video? Floyd and Fish have not and are trying to act like professionals on the subject.
So, if you watch the video, the SS sniper took out Crooks 10 seconds after the last shot was taken. There’s like 8 or 9 total shots before Crooks was taken out. At least after the first 3 shots that came from the same gun, the last 5 or 6 were from another gun and possibly two guns on the last bullet 70-90 feet back from Crooks. Oh ya!!!
And, it’s 100% fact that none of Crooks 4 to 6 shots hit Trump’s ear. The trajectory is way off because the first bullet hit Trump and then the man up in the corner of the stands. That could have only come from the window of the building Crooks was on top of. The SS have said they were inside the building.
But this story is dying on the vine because Biden suddenly pulls out of the race. Even Fox has done nothing but yapped about this and who will be the Democrat nominee.

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You’re are simply wrong and you know it. Chicken…

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Dan Bangino already has talked about the line of sight problem with Crooks. So, have you watched the video? I’m sure there is more on the websites out there. But, if this was a hit by either Pelosi, Harris, the SS or the FBI, they will never tell. I forgot Hillary too!

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It is reported the kid went to the local shooting range often, probably grew up with guns. You cannot shoot at shooting ranges without certification back east so lets get that out of the way. He had a direct line of sight to the president. 140 yds with a Scoped AR, any person with even a little bit of experience should be able to hit an apple 3 out of 3 shots. really good shots can hit a quarter 3 out of 3 shots.

The real reason Trump is alive today is probably the kid was hyped up on adrenaline and breathing hard or nervous. I have hunted many hundreds of animals through the years and all of us that use guns have a routine we follow to a tee from the moment we pick up the gun. And before that safety clicks off, it is about the 6th step in a 10 step process. This kid knew exactly what he was doing.

The SS Sniper did pull off a near impossible shot because the kid was completely hidden by the ridge of the roof. The kid was peeping over that ridge so the SS sniper could only see his crown and the scope of the rifle…the kid had a clear view of the President and an easy shot.

My what a 24 hours. Last night Biden’s team was on a Donor Phone call, that were told to suck it up, Biden is the nominee. By 7 Am this morning, apparently his long time pollster along with some 37 senators and congressmen convinced him that he could not win. As I posted to start this thread, Obama is the king maker. He is silent.

The bigger picture, There is a wait and see if Kamila Harris can bring energy to the ticket and if Donors fill coffers. While CNN gushes about her abilities. The rest of us know that Harris has botched up every project she was assigned. Obama also knows. While most insiders are 50/50 on if she will be the nominee, I say it is more like 30%. I would love a Harris /Buttigieg ticket but it’ll be a Harris/Swing State combo if she is the nominee.

Some dems have floated Mitt Romney (as you say). I would LOVE it. We in Utah hate that he impeached Trump twice. Never happen but would love Romney losing.

Manchin for me would be formidable because he is strong on Energy and a moderate. Dems need a moderate to have a chance

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It is true Crooks had a direct line of sight. But not to nick the ear if the head was turned as it was. Even with the head turned, if he hits the ear, the bullet would still enter the back of the brain. Nor would the bullet have continued on hitting the man at the back corner of the stands behind trump 3-5 feet higher up than Trump. Please tell me you can understand this. It’s not that difficult. Bangino also agrees, a former SS man himself. I’ll take his word over Floyd’s buddy.

Manchin is not a moderate. He’s only against the border but all in with most everything else and supported liberal legislation a lot. Just because CNN or some Democrats on Fox call him a moderate doesn’t make him one.

Harris is getting more and more backing as the
minutes go by. I believe they will go for her if Michelle doesn’t go for it. They may just be throwing a Hail Mary for 2024 looking to 2028.

What is interesting is how the media is now attacking Trump for being too old after claiming age has nothing to do with Biden. That he can do his job because his mental acuity was just fine. They are such hypocrites.

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Hopper, I watched the video the day it came out but keep on accusing people in the same manner you always do. Everything you do is inflammatory. Dan Bongino has not said a word about 2 killers, he has only talked about the complete failure of SS Security.

So let’s get to it…There was the kid (shooter), there were 2 separate SS snipers meaning 3 sets of rifles. In the video, the sound of rifle shots were 8 in total. The 1st three shots were the kids, are we clear? Then there were 4 rapid shots (sniper who killed the kid) then one last shot that sounds identical to the first 3 shots so I take it to be the kid possibly squeezing one more off from a finger convulsion after he was dead or it could be one shot from the other SS sniper.

I absolutely see that all of the wounded people are line in sight of the kid shooter and they are rapid shots so he aimed on the first shot but sprayed random shots on #2 and 3…so let’s get that out of the way. high powered bullets will ricochet wildly when they hit anything, including water.

I see three shots from the kid, three people hit all in line with the podium. straight Forword. As I said, the very last shot sounds like the first 3. The kid is dead at this point but could still convulse and at this point the rifle is laying on the slope roof so the round fires into the sky. Or a single from the 2nd SS sniper. Don’t have enough info.

Lastly, Details of Trump shooting security breakdown start to emerge (msn.com)

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This is what I mean by more information. Now I am taking what you have said and throwing it into my mixing bowl. If there is more info. as it goes along then I will add that and continue to stir. Ultimately I will come to some kind of conclusion based on all of the information.

Funny thing is I could still be wrong. I can be honest about it for sure.

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Thanks for your scientific analysis. Well, not. The analysis in the video is scientific with respects to distance, type of gun and possibly whose gun. There is also the line of sight issue with who shot the man in the stands with the first bullet. Crooks is definitely not in that line of sight. The window is. I will also say that if it was Crooks shot that hit him, from that angle the bullet would have still gone into the back of Trump’s head even with him turning his head. Now, please explain how in that video the line of sight for the bullet (could have been the 2nd bullet too), only lines up with Trump and the man in the stand and not from where Crooks is. The lines he is drawing are straight.

There is another bullet fired after the 8th bullet 10 seconds later. that’s at least 9 shots. And then there’s those two shots 75 feet further away that definitely aren’t Crooks shots. So, what about that 9th shot? And why are the other 2 further away?

The article doesn’t talk about any scientific research on the sounds of the shooting. Nor simply hand drawing a line of sight. I’m not arguing or calling you names. I’m asking for responses to these questions that you haven’t really addressed. Explain why the line of sights in the video are wrong?

So, in the video, the SS is now saying local police were inside the building when early articles said the SS were in the buildings. And, from where the SS sniper was the top was much steeper. Doesn’t add up.

From what I’ve seen and read about Crooks is that the club he went to kicked him out for being a really lousy shot. He’s not a marksman.

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Excellent post fish. Only a fanatical fool would try to counter what you laid out.
There’s an excellent video on Fox of drone footage of the area where the stage was, the counter sniper buildings behind the stage and the buildings where the sniper was and buildings behind that where supposedly counter snipers were inside.
I was surprised how low the buildings were - maybe 15-20 feet high? With the building behind the shooters building maybe another 10 feet higher.
100% clear the killer kid had clear line of sight for the entire stage.

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This one time I am breaking my vow not to engage with you on this issue. But even a moron knows more than you do about shooting.

Anyone who has actually used a rifle for hunting or just shooting, knows the basic elements of affects shooting. A Train Sniper, especially those trained by Military is taught these elements to the extreme.

What Fish stated is based on “FACTS” of shooting…
For your information, these elements are as follows:
Gravity: Gravity pulls the bullet downward, so snipers must account for bullet drop over long distances.

Wind: Wind speed and direction can significantly alter the bullet’s path. Snipers need to estimate wind conditions at various points along the bullet’s trajectory.

Altitude: Higher altitudes have thinner air, which reduces air resistance and allows the bullet to travel farther.

Barometric Pressure: Changes in atmospheric pressure can affect the bullet’s flight. Lower pressure means less air resistance.

Humidity: Higher humidity levels can slightly reduce air resistance, affecting the bullet’s trajectory.

Temperature: Temperature affects the air density and the gunpowder’s performance, influencing the bullet’s speed and trajectory.

Coriolis Effect: The Earth’s rotation can cause a slight deflection in the bullet’s path, especially over long distances.

Rifle Quality: The construction of the rifle, including the barrel and rifling, can impact accuracy.

Bullet Spin: The spin imparted by the rifling stabilizes the bullet but can also cause it to drift slightly to the side (spin drift).

Target Movement: If the target is moving, snipers must predict the target’s future position and adjust their aim accordingly.

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I haven’t commented in several days, but have a few random comments.

One of the big problems Democrats have is that the FEC says all of the money donated to the Biden campaign will have to be returned to the donors unless Harris is the nominee. If Harris is the nominee Trump wins for sure if he can remain disciplined.

Several days ago Elon Musk, who has always voted for Democrats, pledged to donate millions of dollars to Trump. That was before Biden announced he is dropping out of the race.

Manchin would be somebody even most Republicans could live with but the Dems won’t nominate him because he isn’t radical enough. He is more like an east coast moderate Republican. He doesn’t check any of their boxes. He is a moderate white male who bucked their party line. They were able to pass Biden off as a moderate but we have all seen what happened. His administration has been the most radically left in history and it is because he wasn’t running the show from day one. I think the Obama insiders have been pulling the strings from day one. Biden was, and is, a weak man easily manipulated.

The cat was out of the bag with Biden within days of him taking office. I distinctly remember him announcing a moderate, reasonable position on an issue (don’t remember what the issue was) within 24 hours he came out and walked back his statement. I knew immediately that he was just a puppet and everybody else should have known. He was hidden in his basement during the 2020 campaign and passed off as the decent, reasonable man, the
moderate uniter who would bring América back to normalcy. He never was that even before he lost his marbles he was a corrupt calculating lifetime politician who hasn’t held a productive job in decades if ever.

I suspect he was bribed to leave the race (my opinion). He is like many people with dementia thinking they can do what they can no longer do. I think his family of grifters were making so much money off his name and influence that they were pushing him to the bitter end until the party insiders paid him off to leave the race. Now the party will rig the nomination just like they did the last two. It is ironic that the Dems muscled out Bernie Sanders twice because he is unelectable because he was an honest Marxist. The Marxists running the show put in grandpa and got everything they wanted by stealth. Look at what has transpired over the last 4 years and it is easy to see.

Trump for all his faults was their worst nightmare because, whatever his many moral failings may be, he was never in the club and openly said he wanted to get rid of it.

There have been Marxists insiders for many decades influencing US policy. McCarthy tried to root them out back in the 50s and was destroyed. He exposed a few and Nixon prosecuted Alger Hiss in the 50s and got him put him in prison. McCarthy had a lot of faults but he told the truth and they shot the messenger. We live in a day of secret combinations prophesied about. I wouldn’t be surprised if the attempt to assassinate Trump was a part a conspiracy. That could be true no matter how many shooters there may have been. I don’t even think the number of shooters matters. Trump survived and if he is elected I hope he cleans house in the many government agencies. As a one term president he could do a lot to set back the left wing agenda a few decades. Of course there will be a bitter crusade by the insiders and their allies in the press to destroy him.

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You are correct that the shooter had clear sight of the stage and crowd behind him. That’s not the question. The question is that in the video that you not Fish have watched, it shows by sight and sound that the 1st bullet most likely hits Trump’s ear and continues to the first man shot in the stands up higher than Trump and in the corner in his lower torso. That straight line trajectory could not have been taken by Crooks position. It could have only, and I mean only, been made for the lower window to the right of Crooks facing the stage. Prove me wrong.

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Agreed, Manchin is a energy 1st guy, not a green brainless sheep. Hence the reason why I said he could be a threat to Trump if he ran. Trump said, “We don’t worry about anybody the Dems throw at us. It is their policies that we are running against.”… then he listed the Economy1st, Securing the border 2nd and blew up the EV car mandate…to be clear, Trump states he is not against EV technologies, he welcomes them so long as they follow “Market Demand” not Gov mandates. Makes sense in big cities but useless in Rural USA.

100% agree.

Floyd, I think I wasted plenty of my time explaining to Scott from a professional standpoint what happened that fateful day. I say professional because I am certified firearms instructor having taught many courses through the years.

I have a lifetime of evaluating what bullets do, ricochets especially, and as you point out, there are many variables in proper shooting. As I pointed out early. I or any person could take a basic .22 cal and hit a human head 10 out of 10 shots at 140 yds. the drop is quit high, meaning up to 10 inches. but put the crosshairs on top of the head and squeeze. Practical Ballistics for 22LR: 50-200 Yards (luckygunner.com)

Now add an AR 15 to this same equation: a .22 cal travels at a pultry 1000-1500 fps- an AR 15 travels over 3000 fps. The drop is less than an inch at 140 yards.
5.56 Ballistics Charts From All Major Ammo Makers
The kid has been to a shooting range often, from his own fathers lips, so it is safe to say, he would hit his bullseye out to say 300 yds.

Scott is an agitator; he gets off by stirring the pot

I care less whether we find out that the kid was alone or if he acted along with others. the facts will come out. But what I don’t care for is how we got here. The Extremists on by sides are making this country crazy to the point that a kid decides to be a hero and kill the opposition.
Scott, you are no different than fake news. All they do is stir the pot.

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Not if we have to depend on the SS director Cheatle! been listening to the hearing, and man she has to wait for a report to tell the committee what happened and why it happened. That is in 30-60 days!

Even AOC, who no fan of Trump, questions this lady qualification as SS directory. To a person on the democrat side, they all want this woman gone!

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Funny, I just posted on the very same thing. Floyd, you gotta plug your nose and vote Trump. He is the only guy that will clean house of all these incompetence. You know I am saying this with a smile.

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I was right there with you until you said this. Do you really have enough faith and trust to believe that? I don’t. My trust in our government has disappeared over the past several decades. I think the people that work there are mostly good people. It is the people in charge that aren’t and that is really unfortunate.

And therein lies the problem. All of these administrators, people in charge, those running the show, etc. were appointed and hired by the current administration. People can believe anything they want when it is told to them but the actions and the results are more important than what is said. Anyone who votes democrat in this upcoming election is sinking the ship. Like fish, I am not a big Trump fan but the guy gets results in spite of all his personal faults. I want results, not just a lot of blathering nonsense and poor decisions that are ultimately bad for this country and its’ people…

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I’m with you

I only person that has done some good these past 4 years is the Sec of Interior. All other departments are a disaster. I hope Trump not only wins but gets a senate and congress and rolls plenty of heads. Clean the entire shed

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So, I had this really off, off, off, the wall thoughts.
What “IF” the democrats knew they had no chance of winning the Presidential election?

  1. They get Biden to pull out to save his face and legacy (I have another word for it).
  2. They don’t want to tarnish one of the rising generation players (Newsome, Mich. Governor, etc.) so they don’t use them as a replacement.
  3. They put Harris in, because her polls are worse than Biden’s as the sacrificial lamb to save the party from being embarrassed.

What do you think of “my conspiracy theory”?