nice post and comments.
You should try posting like this more often, I think people would respond in a more positive way and take you seriously. 
Clear message, no arrogance, no criticismā¦ just solid all the way around.
So what gives? 
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I think a lot of it must just be vocabulary. Until now I would never have guessed that LDS people didnāt like the word āsupernaturalā applied to their beliefs. I use it only because its a more expansive term than 'God." I just mean I donāt believe in horoscopes, psychics, ESP or any of that stuff, either and certainly not that I mean any disrespect. Now I know better. Thanks SG.
I also didnāt know I was being arrogant, so maybe thatās its own form of arrogance not to recognize that I was being perceived that way. Iāll try to be a bit more thoughtful from now on, and Iāll try to stay off the touchy subjects which makes us all defensive. I can get worked up pretty easy, as you know.
Believe it or not, I can comment on somebodyās post without it being directed toward somebody else. In the case of my reply to grasshopper, that is actually who I was talking to.
Grasshopper has a tendency to be a little arrogant, as if he is the only one that has the right answer to everything. It isnāt necessarily a knock on him, he probably sees it as a compliment.
So then, Iāll clarify that I wasnāt even thinking of you when I responded to SG. It was just refreshing to see a decent, calm post from him.
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Yes I was surprised as well. Thanks for clarifying that Jim.
You will find we donāt believe in horoscopes, psychicsā¦thatās not what revelation from God is. We do believe also that Satan is real and has his counterfeit methods from the Lordās system of communication. That would be priestcrafts, witchcraft, psychicsā¦are they real? I believe so. I believe there many acts of the devil that either create blood and horror episodes on the earth as well as simply distracting good people from communicating with Heavenly Father in the Lordās name through the power of the Holy Ghost.
Well, thatās a little more information for you.
I tried to convince myself that there was supernatural phenomena at several different points in my life. I studied Mormonism for awhile. Then I got interested in a group called āThe Foundation for Noetic Sciencesā or something like that. Their goal was to use science to prove some kind of weird theories they had that seemed plausible to me at the time. Like they had this idea that there is a group consciousness and they thought you could prove it by showing that once one person had learned something it would be easier for others to learn it. I read their stuff for a couple years and didnāt see any evidence for what they were trying to prove.
I also went through a New Age phase but after awhile that seemed crazy to me as well with all the healing crystals and positive thoughts, etc. Iāve seen a lot of psychics that seem pretty impressive on the surface but then as I watched closely I came to believe that they are just reading the person for clues. Theyāll say something like, āIām seeing someone that was close to you whoās name started with a Bā or something similar. Then the person being read shows no signs of recognition so they change it to a āDā, and he says, āthat must be my dead uncle Devon!ā, and everyone is all impressed.
I also got into the āLife After Lifeā thing with that crazy doctor that wrote that book, I forget his name. Heās kind of turned himself into a cottage industry pumping out books and materials and heās made a lot of money. Lots of people believe that he has proved that there is life after death. It seemed pretty impressive to me at one time, but he just did an actual study (peer reviewed even!) where they put things on hospital shelves for patients to describe if they happened to float out of their bodies while they were unconscious as people had reported (I know, sounds kind of weird) but after like 600 trials not a single patient ever identified anything. Iām sure I could find the link if anyoneās interested.
So its not that I donāt want to believe in the supernatural, its just that I havenāt seen any evidence for it. There is a guy who calls himself, āThe Amazing Randyā, I think who runs this skeptic society that has had a standing offer for decades to pay anyone a million dollars if they can prove any supernatural phenomena exists. He hasnāt had to pay a dime yet so it seems like if they happen theyāre extremely rare.
Iāve finally in my old age decided that I must be one of those people that has a hard time believing much of anything without lots of proof, so my religion is really just science with a little Christianity, Buddhism, and Hinduism thrown in for good measure. I donāt expect to survive death and Iām fine with that. Iām not saying its right, but it works for me and I think Iām too old to change at this point. Sorry for all the rambling. Boring day at workā¦
Dang! You mean I have to stop reading my horoscopes and paying for my psychic? 
Well I was told by a numerologist once that I was a āChrist figureā in another life, so I got that going for me. Iām not even kidding. Its amazing what you can find out from just from your social security and driverās licence numbers!
Or in the palms of your own handsā¦ 
The floating out of the body study seems silly. Put things on the shelves thinking that is what they would remember? The accounts Iām familiar with including a couple I know personally only mentioned persons in the room and seeing themselves. Why would they be looking for or remember things on a shelf.
I understand your point of view. My father and mother were Jewish and did not believe in a real physical God. The believed in a goodness but no afterlife either. Both died with a miserable attitude. My father was a bit better than my mother who was just cross and didnāt care about anyone once diagnosed terminal. Iāve yet to know a faithful member who was like that. Not just LDS Christian either. Iām not young anymore and want to stay faithful to my Father in Heaven to the end.
Itās never too late to come to know The God of Abraham. Age matters not. Iām still gaining more truth about God all the time.