If you had both of those quarterbacks, how would you play them. Imagine Williams and Tanner and Tasom all in the back field at the same time. How would you know who the ball was going to be hiked to? Imagine Tasom coming out of the back field and catching a pass or blocking for Williams or running the wild cat. If you were running a defense, how would you prepare for a situation of having Tasom and Tanner both back and evenly spread. You would never know who was going to get the ball. You could design a complete offense in that scheme. The defense could do nothing but guess all game.
Jeff
Hill blocking? With his history of injuries? No way. I would see him as coming on 3rd down and close as a wildcat, unstoppable
Injury #1: Helmet on knee…that is a hard hit and not a sign of being injury prone. How many knees , especially QB knees would survive such a hit?
Injury #2: Brutal and awkward angle take down from behind. Again, I doubt that many QBs would have survived that uninjured. I don’t see that as an inherent weakness either.
Injury #3: Busted foot while accelerating like a Super Hornet off the USS Ronald Regan. Hmmm, maybe this is a material weakness in comparison to the strength of the rest of his body? Perhaps the remnants of an over aggressive recovery scheme? Perhaps an imbalance caused by injury #1 and #2?
Hill is truly an amazing physical specimen but have previous injuries weakened his system integrity aka Luke Staley? I don’t know but I would loved to see Taysom come back and play like a monster.
Detmer said he wants to play split backs: he can play Mangum at QB and JWill and Taysom as split running backs. Mangum passes for 4k and each back rushes for 1200 yards. And unicorns carry out the team flag. And the IRS is replaced by a single, really big PO Box because everyone is honest and pays their taxes on time. I don’t see Taysom coming back to BYU–don’t get me wrong, we need him to beat the elites and if I were the coach he’d be my QB, but I think a new OC and HC would see 3 years with Mangum as a great stabilizing force in their new program.
Hill would be a great running back if the injury bug didn’t bite him again. I doubt Hill would go for that tho.
Please know that I was joking, as in one million % joking.
Imagine all the people… playing in the backfield at BYU.
You might be on to a possible new trend in football.
Why not try 4 up front and 7 in the backfield.
I am not talking about Tasom as a running back. I am talking about two QB’s. If you, as a defense don’t know who the ball is going to, you are guessing. As an OC, isnt that what you want the defense doing?
Jeff
The problem with this would be that there are only 11 players on the field. If you use two of those spots for the quarterback position, you create match-up problems…for yourself. Yes, the defense does not know who it is going to go to. However, they have one more player to deal with whomever it does go to. While Taysom has the versatility to cause problems for the defense even when he doesn’t get the snap, Tanner is just a quarterback, a really good quarterback. So, on the plays where Taysom gets the snap, the defense doesn’t have to worry about Tanner. Taysom is hard to stop, however, giving the defense 11 guys to stop 10 guys doesn’t seem to be a good strategy.
In order for this strategy to work, you have to make Tanner an active threat on the plays where Taysom gets the snap. I’m not sure how you do that.
Another issue with putting two quarterbacks in the backfield at the same time would be protection of the quarterback. In order to make this scenario effective, you basically eliminate the pocket as a viable passing area. If both quarterbacks stay in the pocket, the pocket becomes crowded. If you roll out one but not the other, the read is easy, where are the blockers? If you roll out an exposed quarterback too often, you give the defense too many free shots at your quarterbacks. This risks deciding the quarterback controversy based on who gets injured first.
Maybe I’m simply not understanding what you are saying, however, it doesn’t sound viable to me.
It would be different. Sort of like Trump. May catch teams off-guard. Certainly they wouldn’t be in on every down just like running backs aren’t. I think it may be just confusing to try for a new coaching team and so they will just keep it simple yet have the tight ends more involved and the backs going out for passes more.
Yes, it would be different. However, once we did it, it would no longer be different and teams would be able to plan for it. It would be a novelty, not an effective gameplan.
Yes, it would be like Trump, idiotic.
jeffyds
I like your thinking, (coaching).
Well, you mix it in with other offensive sets too. Should be interesting to see if they do it.
Get used to it. Trump will be the nominee with Cruz as VP
jeffyds
Two heads are better than one. Thousands of heads are better than two.
I would love to see an online suggestion box, monitored by assistant coaches to filter the possible great ideas from the unworkable ideas and pass those possible great workable idea’s onto the OC or when appropriate, the DC. I have read two or three very creative ideas on this posting session that should be passed on for consideration, through the suggested filtering system.
I hope the Republicans are not that stupid. He is the only candidate that will lose to either Bill’s wife or the Socialist.
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I think it might work in the trick play department. I just don’t think it is viable for the general offensive game plan. I think that the coaches need to pick a starter in spring ball and stick with that starter through the season. Both are great quarterbacks. If Taysom Hill is healthy, he could have a legendary season. However, I’m also excited to see Tanner Mangum II, III and IV.
The one thing it would probably do is cause the other team to waste a time-out when they realized what was being set up. At the end of the time-out, BYU could sit one of the QBs down and go on with a regular play. I don’t think I would want to rely on the BYU center being able to effectively alter the course of trajectory when hiking the ball to one of two QBs standing beside each other. Too many risks of a bad snap.
jeff
I totally agree with you on this one. Throw in the new system where BYU will once again, on a regular basis use our tight ends for receivers and not just for blockers. Remember Dennis Pitta; Remember Johnnie Harline ;Remember Doug Jolly; Remember Itula Mili; Remember Chad Lewis; Rememnber Bryon Rex, and Chris Smith, Trevor ZMolini, David Mills, Gordon Hudson, Clay Brown and Brian Billick. All were fantastic tight ends that were fantastic receivers.
Now, in addition to our wide receivers, imagine all at the same time on the field, Taysom Hill, Tanner Mangum, Jaamal Williams, plus using the tight end as a receiver and still have the Wide receivers to contend with.
If you were on any defense on any team, P5 or G5, how would you prepare for this, down after down after down. If you were a defensive coach, what would you instruct your defense to do against a team that has not one weapon but 5 weapons that are play makers on each down.
I shutter when I read posting where fans and sports writers suggest that having Tayson Hill back would be a unwanted distraction that would cause a negative controversy. Why can’t everyone see the possibilities of which you speak and of which I totally agree with?
Tiarimer
I like your well written post, especially with those things that I agree with, but also with those things that I do not agree with. It is well written. Thank you.
I agree with your first sentence of your post regarding what Detmer said. I see it as workable and as a great plan.
I see your second sentence as wishful thinking with tongue in cheek.
The third and fourth sentence, if I agreed with your premiss, would be a cute analogy.
I agree at least in part with what you say in your final statement, however, I do believe that the combination of having our Hall of Fame QB and Heisman Trophy Winner as the OC and as the QB coach, along with the Hall of Fame Receivers coach working together, as they will be doing, that they can make your first sentence work, and if the occasion is, that Hill will return to BYU, those coaches will make it work.