Looks bad for Trump

You can say that again and again and again!!!

Which is the exact reason the country is in trouble. It used to be actions speak louder than words. Now, we are such a tired wicked nation words speak louder than actions. We are a myopic nation voting for one issue like race or tone of a person’s speech. Not the entirety of Trump’s accomplishments.

An amazing (but very slim) possibility is that it ends in a 269-269 electoral college tie (Trump would need to ultimately win Nevada, Arizona, and Pennsylvania). The House would elect Biden as president, and the Senate would elect Pence! Everyone and their dog knows that Biden is not going to last long; the reins are supposed to be handed to Harris. Can you imagine the heads exploding with Pence waiting to take over when he is incapacitated?

I feel very good about the election, overall. Holding the Senate was huge, and will largely neuter a progressive agenda (Pence would also be the tie-breaker in a tie, not Biden).

Arizona (where I live) was embarrassing and disappointing. Recreational marijuana, a big tax increase for “education,” and many state executive and legislative slots are now Democrat. It definitely is becoming less conservative.

I get what both you and Jim are saying. When I said he needed to be more of a politician all I was implying is that he needed to temper his remarks a little. A slightly different choice of words at times without losing the message. That’s all. He made a lot of comments that lost him a lot of support that he could have withheld or stated slightly differently without losing any of his base and watering down his message.

There is an old adage that people won’t hear your message because of your actions. I think that can also work in reverse when your tone is so out there that people overlook what you have done.

I am a fan of what Trump has done and I don’t entirely oppose his rhetoric. There is a part of me that enjoys it but by the same token I have to cringe at times because I know a lot of people will be offended by it. I know many church members who wouldn’t vote for Trump because of the image he portrays. I suspect many other decent people feel the same way, It isn’t about Biden because nobody paid any attention to him and weren’t informed as to what he is or has been. With some people it was all about Trump one way or the other and it both benefited him and hurt him. I wish he could have been a little more Reaganesque without losing the combativeness.

You can’t do anything for your country if you are put out of office. Based on the horrible opponent he had the election shouldn’t have been close and part of that falls on Trump.

I was also a fan of both Bush I and Bush II but they both played a too nice in my opinion. They should have been tougher on the opposition party but it’s a tough balancing act when you are an elected official. Bush II did call Iran, North Korea, and China the “axis of evil” and Reagan called the Soviet Union an “Evil Empire”. The Democrats hated that kind of talk but it was the truth and there should have been more of it from both of the Bushes. I am fine with tough talk but you have to be careful not to lose those who can be your friends because they won’t look past your veneer.

I agree that sometimes the opposite can be true. Logic and Reason says it’s mostly false and has to be proved. Trump had only in way to get through the primaries and general election in 2016, being controversial and get the free publicity from the media. That’s what happened. The blame lies in the childish offended rhino republicans. Politics is a dirty place and to be offended is a sure fire way of needing out of politics. McCain wasn’t a true conservative. Neither was the Bush’s. Reagan and Trump were and is.

I agree with just about everything you wrote, I tried to overlook Trump bombastic moments, but with health issues and other things going on in my life, I am tired of it all…

Very good post and mostly what I was trying to get my point too.

The Savior is prime example, although he had the entire Jewish religion against him, saying all types of negative things about him, he never lowered himself to name calling or belittle other people to build himself up.

In my opinion, Trump should have done what he did and the let “Action” of what he did speak to the people, instead of getting on twitter and creating yet another storm cloud.

Thanks Reed for posting good stuff.

What has happened to Arizona? Has Arizona been overrun by California refugees who can’t figure out that they needed to leave California in California and become what made Arizona a great place? We have that problem in Texas. People moving because Texas is a good place to live (other than the climate and scenery) and they bring their stupid political philosophy with them and Texas will be blue in one or two generations and it will become California. People don’t have a clue. They are fleeing something that was destroying them only to bring the destruction with them. I wish we could build a wall around Texas to keep the Californians out. Virginia has the same problem as Arizona and Texas to a lesser degree. People who work in D.C. are moving to Northern Virginia and have turned it blue. They bring their poison with them instead of looking at what made the place great and becoming a part of it. They want to live in the great place but hope they can transform everybody into the fools they are. That is probably harsh rhetoric but I wish people would stay in their own swamps and not create new ones every where they go. Don’t turn the clear water you came to swim in into the swamp you came from.

First, Bolton was brought into the swamp by who? That’s Right TRUMP!
Trump knew Bolton background and his behavior well before he put him into the cabinet, anyone watching FoxNews knew Bolton was a war hawk.

Ronald Reagan knew how to get what he wanted without offending half the populace, he used “words” that unified, not divide with the people (congress is whole different story).

A friend of mine who is what you call a Reagan Republican is the one that told me the reasons why Trump would lose. It was not his policies that turned people away, it was his behavior.

Think of it this way, if you had a fellow employee who came in everyday and whined about how the business administration was against him. At first, you might believe him, but after awhile it gets old and you think that maybe the problem is not management, but this employee.

My view is NOT myopic, it comes from many people who are even Tea Party Conservatives who think Trump has gone of the rails with his behavior.

No Scott, that is not the problem. We expect adults to act like adults not petulant teenagers.

What is the latest with the counts?

I have heard there were still a million or so votes that needed to counted? is that right?

All of the carping here is not the real problem.

Reagan had better “talent” for wordsmithing than Trump. But Reagan was in a different generation politically and morally than we are so comparisons between the 2 are not going to be accurate. I wish Trump was more linguistically aplomb but he is a fighter. If we elected him because he was a fighter and now say we are tired of his being a fighter and so are going to vote for socialism, then the pox be on us.

But all the bickering means nothing because the blame rests on us the citizens. The collective “we” allowed our middle and high schools and colleges and universities to be overrun with socialists and communists while, why heaven forbid, producing socialists and communists. We the people are totally responsible for the inevitable spread of socialism and ultimately communism from sea to shining sea.

And if the whiny, sniveling good agnostics, atheists, Catholics, protestants and LDS (yeah, not written out) NOT vote for good policies because of a mean ol nasty fighter, then we get the dung heap we deserve. I do not care how awful Trump supposedly is, the fact that he is anti-abortion and the other side is for abortion - up till birth - I will vote for Trump over and over and over. And that is only one policy decision for me to vote for Trump (policies more than the human man). If we think Trump is the problem, wait to see this country in 4 or 8 or 12 years. Unless something spectacular happens in the near future, this nation will become socialist, then communist. Wait for a few years and the federal and state governments will have their feet and legs heavily on the throat of religious institutions. In these regards, I am glad my time on earth is nearing an end.

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I will say that Trump has the right attitude about the voting irregularities. They should be investigated and challenged legally if he has some basis to do so. He may not win but it is interesting that thousands of votes appeared in the dark of night in Michigan when they stopped counting and the votes were ridiculously slanted to Biden and the Dem senator Peters. He is a fighter and almost any other Republican would have sat back and waited hoping their leads would hold up. I have never seen a Republican ever win a recount. I know of a number of recounts that have gone to Dems. Al Franken won in Minnesota when a box full of ballots mysteriously was found in somebody’s car trunk and about 90% of them were for Franken. I am sure a Republican has won a recount at one time or another but I can’t remember one specifically. There are a number of high profile recounts that have gone to Democrats. Trump does make a mistake by saying counting should stop. I think what he should say is that the counting should have some oversight and until that happens it should stop. Trump poll watchers have been illegally barred and obstructed from observing the vote counts in Detroit and Philadelphia among other places.

If his legal challenges have a basis I hope they succeed. I wouldn’t count on any objective opinion on that from the mainstream media. The will report that he is trying to overturn a legitimate election and disenfranchise voters.

Well, there were some things he said about the hypocrites and the money changers. I’m sure there were other times he had good reason to put people in their place and did it perfectly.

That’s what Trump is say that the vote should stop until the fraud is checked out. I have no problem with that. And, we already see other Republicans wanting Trump not to fight like little Mark Rubio. Pathetic cowards.

I agree with almost everything. I think that the lazy left and Trump haters do is vote with a myopic eye on a single issue. This doesn’t allow most people doing this to see the bigger picture. Single issue voters are the problem and are mostly on the left. This is usually a product of letting emotions get to them rather than logically evaluating multiple issues. Abortion is one.

Then stop complaining about a person doing exactly what he said he would do. Trump has followed through with those things he set out to do. Who cares if you think he’s not being adult like as long as he gets the job done. And, has Pelosi behaved adult like? Schiff? And most of the media? No.

What has he done that isn’t adult like? Oh, name calling. Happens by the majority of adults. Go on Facebook if you do t think so.

In my business, I am known as someone who speaks their mind, does what he says he is going to do.

There is no political correctness with me, HOWEVER, I have learned over the years that if you continue to berate other people, you generally do not succeed. Unfortunately, Trump has not learned that lesson.

People are tired of hearing about his conspiracies that have not been proven to be true, even by Fox News.

You know Reed this whole election made me sit back and think to myself “what is really important”?

If Biden wins and Trump looses, what happens? Just like all the fear mongering when Obama was elected. My life never really changed under Obama or Trump. Just the caustic venom that has been spewed out by both sides.

Started me doing some research on the last days, and some of the comments by our Prophets. Especially President Nelson who said (paraphrasing here) " Make the savior the center of your life the new normal".

We have been warned in the last days that this country is going to struggle mightily, and basically there is nothing we can do about it because it is foretold as a prophecy.

here are some quotes I found:

Every organization of our government, the best government in the world, is crumbling to pieces. Those who have it in their hands are the ones who are destroying it. How long will it be before the words of the prophet Joseph will be fulfilled? He said if the Constitution of the United States were saved at all it must be done by this people. It will not be many years before these words come to pass. Source: Brigham Young, Journal of Discourses 12:204

I hope and trust and pray that the government of our country may remain, because it is so good; but if they cut off this, and cast out that, and institute another thing, they may destroy all the good it contains. This, I hope, they will not do; they cannot do it. I expect to see the day when the Elders of Israel will protect and sustain civil and religious liberty and every constitutional right bequeathed to us by our fathers, and spread those rights abroad in connection with the Gospel for the salvation of all nations. Source: Brigham Young Journal of Discourses 11:262-63

The Constitution under which we live, and which has not only blessed us but has become a model for other constitutions, is our God-inspired national safeguard ensuring freedom and liberty, justice and equality before the law.

I do not know what the future holds. I do not wish to sound negative, but I wish to remind you of the warnings of scripture and the teachings of the prophets which we have had constantly before us.

I cannot forget the great lesson of Pharaoh’s dream of the fat and lean kine and of the full and withered stalks of corn.

I cannot dismiss from my mind the grim warnings of the Lord as set forth in the 24th chapter of Matthew.

I am familiar, as are you, with the declarations of modern revelation that the time will come when the earth will be cleansed and there will be indescribable distress, with weeping and mourning and lamentation (see D&C 112:24).

Now, I do not wish to be an alarmist. I do not wish to be a prophet of doom. I am optimistic. I do not believe the time is here when an all-consuming calamity will overtake us. I earnestly pray that it may not. There is so much of the Lord’s work yet to be done. We, and our children after us, must do it.

Source: Gordon B. Hinckley, “The Times in Which We Live”, Ensign, Nov. 2001

I think that is why, our current leader has emphasized our relationship with the gospel as being a priority in our lives.

Just some food for thought.

You saw no degeneration in society during the Obama era? You do realize faith in God diminished substantially during his 8 years? Race relations got worse as everytime a police killing of someone black turned into a riot and Obama always stuck his foot in his mouth? The Middle East went up in more flames with ISIS and Iran flaming attacks against Israel funded by Obama and oil? Our military hardware was in poor shape giving Russia and China the opportunity to take over countries?

I could go on but none of that affected you directly but was going that way. 4 years of Hillary and it have started to affect everyone. Oil costs were already going way up. Good paying jobs we’re going down as corporations were leaving the country in droves.

I agree where we need to focus on and help our neighbors come to Christ as well. But the liberal crap is infiltrating the Church members as well. Just like liberal Californians move to spread their cancer to Arizona, Texas and now Georgia.

The question is do we sit around on our hands and let it happen? It’s the corruption that Democrats spread.

You know, I have changed my mind. Why worry at all about our nation? Why not spend all of our time reading the scriptures and watching LDS sponsored videos? No matter ethics, morality and criminality around us, no matter social mores, no matter local, state and federal policies. No matter political issues nationally or internationally. Why even go to work or do yard work? Why worry about extended or our own family members? Just center our every waking second on praying, scripture reading and watching LDS sponsored videos.

That will really do it!