My thoughts exactly. Completely opposite of what our Church leaders teach us and have taught us. All things are spiritual with the Lord and it does matter what’s happening. We aren’t supposed to live like monks separated from the world. We live in the world not of the world but teach others in the world.
Scott, I know you did not serve a mission. so the concept of being more in tune with the savior and how that can be more of positive influence to others to show them the light, than all the bashing that you can do to persuade others to your view point is a concept you apparently don’t understand.
as for the degradation of our country, it started a long time before Obama. i would say in the 1960’s.
i am not going to get into why i choose my path, but i have found in my life that the closer you are to God, the better you can see things and how best to improve whatever is happening.
you can chose to do what you want.
what is about to happen in this country you will have absolutely no control over. nothing you do or say will change what has been foretold.
the only thing you can do is prepare or be found wanting at the end.
to ridicule others for what they say or believe just speak volumes about you as a person.
Well, I have to say you aren’t seeing better. I don’t think it’s because you aren’t in tune with the spirit. It’s because your glasses need cleaning and your earwax needs flushing out.
Being a missionary is a great opportunity. But, after my baptism, I ran into 2 missionaries who were instrumental in my conversion after their missions ended. Both were struggling with their testimony and wondered if their mission was worth the two years. I gave them both reasons why their missions were successful and what they needed to do to get their testimonies stronger. And, they did. So, you can try and attack my testimony all you want and belittle me all you want. But sticks and stones…nananananana…butthead
Back at you butthead… knock it off you self-righteous nut. What a bunch of nonsense that he can’t make a difference. As long as there are enough good people like Aro in the world there is always hope of good things in our country and world. We all know about prophecy but what you fail to grasp is it’s based on the contingency of good and evil in our world. And, it’s not our job or right to hurry up the process either.
I have to agree with you on the decline of our country started in the middle to late sixties and I have observed dishonest President’s in both parties since that time, starting with Johnson and Nixon. I support Trump not because of his perfection, far from it, although his personality is in tune with many New Yorkers I have known in the military, but because he offers the type of leadership that will make it legally possible to worship the way I choose and defend my constitutional rights with the right to bear arms if necessary. I find it difficult to support someone, even I’d he is elected President, who supports those that would erode those rights on a government inspired by God. This is a serious dilemma for me and I find comfort in some of the prophetic quotes you have provided. This forum is a difficult one for me to endure as a find so much immaturity, and uncivil responses in some of the posts that are made here that I will probably have to abjure again. Lastly, sometimes it seems like nothing really changes no matter who sits at the helm, but often Satan works in a slow and meticulous fashion and pretty soon you realize that things have changed a lot and by then it’s hard to turn the flow without much devastation and suffering. I will end my participation in this thread by stating that I don’t agree with some of your points, but I always appreciate your civically polite presentations. Good luck to you and everyone else
Floyd was civil by attacking Aro? Telling me I’m less of a child of God because I didn’t serve a mission? I joined the Church 3 years after I was married to my current wife and only wife of 47 years. I agree with lots of what Floyd often says. But then he throws in little personal jabs.
As far as the decline, it started back with Wilson Woodrow the communist. That’s when the progressive movement began.
as usual you misunderstood my point and came to a conclusion which was inaccurate.
i never said you were less of a child of God, what i said was that because you did not serve a mission, you may not understand what i was talking about the spirit directs people to do.
it was a concept taught our missionaries by Elder Perry. the concept is pretty simple, if you want to change your social groups, stay close to the spirit to be instructed on the best way to do it.
sorry for the misunderstanding.
from what you have posted in the past, you seem to share the gospel well, especially with that community group you are part of.
i was not around then… close but that is another story.
Thank you for sharing. One doesn’t need to go on a mission to understand the spirit and the affects the spirit has on a person. And I’m probably older than you… 
Floyd, of all the people I have encountered in this group - you are the joke. No use at all, in reading your posts. Mr. pathetic. Gbye.
Thank you, coming from you that is a very big compliment…
Looks like all of you need to go out and have a rootbeer together.
2022 is going to be a blood bath for the Biden presidency and this is coming from the sound thinkers in the Dem Caucus.
It won’t unless Trump prevails with the fraud charges against Pelosi and Biden’s banana republic tactics. We will lose control of the Senate and before 2022, The Dems will admit Puerto Rico and Washington DC as New Democrat blue states where the Republicans won’t control the Senate again.
I don’t think that is possible… but thanks.
Scott,
While I do not think we are in a Banana republic, because I believe in the Americans in this country will not allow that to happen. I think too many middle class people will protect the constitution.
Having said that, I received an email from a “Skousen” that I think you might like to read. Sorry for the long post ahead of time.
Below is “the other side of the story,” as they say.
White House Hangs in the Ballots …and State Electors?
November 6, 2020, By Tony Perkins (CEO, Family Research Council)
If you want to feel better about the election, here’s an idea: turn off the news! We’ve become so conditioned to listen to the media in situations like this, thinking only they can update maps and color in states. But here’s the reality: No one – not even Fox News’s Decision Desk – can change the fact that there are actual processes and laws in place that will settle this election. Not Pennsylvania’s anti-Trump secretary of state. Not the exploding heads at CNN. Not even the uncertified statewide counts.
As much as we want instant results, our Founders understood that there needed to be a system that could withstand the kind of political divisions we have today. Thankfully, despite the media’s insistence that they call the shots, that’s not how it works. There is a process for close and uncertain elections, and we need to let the process work.
Of course, in the meantime, Mark Levin said, the press will keep trashing the president for challenging any statewide irregularities. “‘This Trump, he’s a dictator,’” liberals tell the American people. The reality is, “Trump’s trying to uphold the federal Constitution. Trump’s trying to [protect] these state statutes – not the state supreme courts, not the state boards of elections. Trump and his people are trying to uphold the rule of law.” Because once the rule of law is gone, you can kiss fair and free elections goodbye.
And that’s exactly what the far-Left wants. It’s why, months before the election, billionaire George Soros started plotting a sophisticated campaign to subvert the election process. The plan, outlined in a paper by the Transition Integrity Project he funds, hinged on dragging out the ballot counting long enough for liberals on the ground to manipulate the vote totals they needed to win key states. Is that happening? There’s no way for us to know.
What we do know is that the strategy involved multiple states and an infusion of “insecure” (mail-in) votes. They talked about going to court to weaken local election rules (check), public misinformation campaigns if Trump was ahead (check), and ramped-up social media censorship (check). It’s called “war-gaming,” the New York Times explained. Except “the game” was to keep Trump from being reelected on November 3rd.
I’m not suggesting we subscribe to a conspiracy theory about liberals stealing the election. What I am saying is that there are radical forces out there who will do whatever it takes to stop Donald Trump from winning a second term. Maybe there isn’t widespread fraud taking place, but there are enough anomalies to warrant questions being ask and answers being attained. Take the success Republicans had on Tuesday in the state legislatures, for example. In one of the most unreported storylines of 2020, conservatives had a huge night locally. Despite outspending Republicans three-to-two on statehouse races, Democrats didn’t pick up control of a single legislature (so far, only Arizona is too close to call). That means that Republicans kept their historic lead of controlling 29 state legislatures to the Democrats’ 18.
In other words, Republicans had banner wins in the House, possibly the Senate, and the states – but the president of the same party didn’t? Something doesn’t add up. That’s what the White House and other conservatives want to get to the bottom of. Even House Minority Leader Kevin McCarthy (R-Calif.) agreed that all of these indicators point to a different outcome than we’re seeing on the electoral map. “Republicans will not back down” on defending this election’s integrity, he vowed.
That’s great, you’re thinking, but what happens now? Well, there are several scenarios. On the Left, the goal is to keep driving this narrative that any of Trump’s reasonable complaints are his attempt to steal the election. On social media and the news outlets, Americans are going to be bombarded with the message that this president has no legitimate claim to victory. It’s the slow creep of misinformation – or, on platforms like Twitter – the outright silencing of information (like we’re seeing with the shutdown of Stop the Steal).
On the president’s side, the legal fight marches on. In the crosshairs, David Horowitz explains, are “a mix of illegal administrative actions taken by Democrat administrations in the key states and [lower courts] overriding long-standing state election laws.” No state official should be allowed to just waltz in and change the way elections are handled – pandemic or not. That’s what creates the kind of chaos we’re seeing right now. In too many places, Democrats just flat-out rewrote the laws on late voting, ballot harvesting, and even voter verification.
But the states could have their revenge. What most Americans don’t realize is that when they go to the polls, they aren’t voting for Joe Biden or Donald Trump. They’re voting for state electors who cast the final ballots for president and vice president. (In some states, those electors’ names are even listed next to the candidates.) It’s their 538 votes that make up the Electoral College. On December 14th, they’ll meet for a formal vote – and 270 of them will decide the presidency. Now, some states force those electors to cast their ballot based on which candidate won their state. In others, there’s no such rule, and electors can choose – although they rarely do – to vote for a different candidate. In 2016, 10 electors broke with their states – but it wasn’t enough to change the outcome of the election. This time, 10 electors could be more than enough to alter the result.
In that case, the road to the White House would run right through the state legislatures. They – not the secretary of state or governor or board of elections – have the final say in who their electors are, based on the U.S. Constitution. And if the Republican legislatures believe there’s evidence of fraud or other extenuating circumstances, they could, as Horowitz warns, “reclaim their authority over the Electoral College and rectify the [corruption] that has upended our election process.”
Or, say on December 14th that neither candidate gets to the magic 270. In that instance, the House elects the president, and the Senate elects the vice president. That’s happened twice in American history, once in 1825 and once in 1837. The 50 state delegations in the House and the individual members of the Senate becomes the determining factor. So let’s look again at what happened on Tuesday night. If everything holds, we’ll have 25 Republican states, 21 Democratic states, and four ties (which don’t count here) deciding who’s president – which, if party lines hold, would favor Donald Trump. In the Senate, if the Republicans hold their leads, America would have 52 Republican states deciding the next vice president.
No wonder the Left is trying to rush this process through. Any scenario that pushes the outcome into mid-December makes a Biden presidency more uncertain. In 2000, we took our time, Tucker Carlson insisted. Americans waited 36 days for a winner to Bush v. Gore. It was painful, he reminded everyone, but in the end it was worth it. “Our system works,” he urged. “It has worked before.” So it’s time for the media to stop shaming Donald Trump, censoring information from the states, and declaring premature winners. Back then, “almost everyone in the media was a partisan Democrat. But… they understood that preserving the public’s faith in the system… was more important than getting Al Gore or anyone else into the White House.”
That’s changed, and Donald Trump knows it. This time around, the Republican in the race doesn’t have the media’s support for a fair resolution – he has their scorn. In not 36 days, but three, commentators have demanded everything from Trump’s concession to his arrest. They are no longer allies in the pursuit of democracy – but enemies. Trump will fight, because he doesn’t fear them. And because he knows that this is more about protecting our country and its processes than it is about protecting his job. If the American people throw in the towel early, it will be as much their fault as the Left’s that the social trust is broken. Because at the end of the day, we don’t all have to want Donald Trump to win – but we should all hope the rule of law does.
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Is it because it has the word “beer” in it and you might think people will think you are drinking beer? Come on Floyd! Stop being so high and mighty self righteous.
I am not being high and mighty Scott, although this comment makes you to be all “High and Mighty” yourself.
I choose who my friends are and are not… Based on how they treat me… Arkie has attacked me personally, ridiculed my personal religious beliefs and even offered physical violence towards me…
So sorry if my choosing not to be friends with him offends you high and mighty ego.
What did you do to me? Put yourself above me based solely based on you served a mission and return missionaries are more spiritual and knowledgeable than the rest of us even though we have equivalent Temple Recommends.
Also, I think you are a big enough person to take a few slaps on the cheeks and turn them. I’ve never responded to you in the spirit of hatred.
Others in here have slapped me around but I still believe most do it to try and enlighten me. Except for maybe one I do t feel it’s in the spirit of hatred. And I’m not talking about you. I would have no problem having a root beer with you.
I explained it to you, and I also apologized for making it seem that I was doing that Scott. That is the difference… You seemed to have accepted my apology, but maybe you really never did based on this comment.
I do not care if people poke at me on game things, or politics… I do however take an exception to people attacking me on my personal religious beliefs on how to follow the prophets.
I would have a “Diet Coke” with you (sorry, something in Root beer bothers my stomach).
I don’t care what people think about by beliefs personally. What I do is try to both reason with them and get some emotional response for our beliefs such as families can be forever.