Presidential Elections

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Not only did you dodge the truth, you placed yourself squarely with the communists of the 60’s and 70’s. Only progressives would support banning private schools and school choice. Today’s progressives are communists. Train those children up to be godless and follow immorality. I taught 16 years in private high school and we turned out moral kids with the same high school standards of scholars as well as the public schools.

You missed the point completely about trying to buddy up with progreso democrats who are communists with my analogy. Do you think Heavenly Father should have sat down with Lucifer and come up with a compromise plan of salvation? Back in Kennedy’s time, that could work. Not now. Today’s Democrat Party leaders you all are following are communists. Compromise has led us to people not being able to define what a woman is. It’s led to the only country in the world that lets illegals cross without consequences and break our laws killing our women and children.

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And you still do not understand what a Communist is!

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Absolutely! Saw that on Facebook.

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No, you are being fooled by wolves in sheepskins. All you have to do is look at our Democrat Presidents and how many were disciples of communists over the decades. Franklin Davis, Coward and Piven, Saulinsky Ayers and many others. Clinton, Obama, Biden, Hillary too all disciples. If you look at Congress same thing. All educated by them and their educators. It’s because of your Normalcy Bias you can’t see the forest from the trees.

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Hilarious!!

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given he was a son of the morning, then the Father certainly had many intimate conversations with him over time…

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So, did he compromise with Lucifer? No.

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Again Scott, STOP WITH BLANKET STATEMENTS!

Not all of congress members were taught by communist and socialist… Many of them went to college so far back, that they were taught Capitalism (think McConnell, Romney, Johnson, Jordan, etc.).

The only one being fooled is you, you listen to these far-right conspiracy nuts and thinks that what they are telling you is “truth”.

NEWS FLASH- EVERYONE has a bias and a slant to prove their point of view. The key to not being sucked into conspiracy theory is to do your own research. Verify the source and get multiple viewpoints.

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If you believe the bible, go read about JOB. or how the Lord was tempted for 40 days.

Question again: Why is there “opposition in all things” if God did not “work” with what Lucifer did?

I was under the impression; everything was part of God’s plan for this earth.

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This is going to come across as a judgemental chastisement, and don’t mean it quite that strong, but can we refrain from invoking members of the Godhead as analogies or comparisons or what they did or would do especially if we are talking politics (or really any subject). To me, it makes them common/more ordinary. I apologize, it is not a shot at you Hopper, I genuinely respect your love of and valiancy in regard to the Church and the Gospel .

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Saul Aulinsky taught back in the 60’s, 70’s and 80’s. He wrote a book, Rules for Radicals, in 1971. So, you are incorrect about the old farts not being around then. Cloward and Piven were his students and they were revered by Hillary and Bill. Bill Ayers and Bernadette Dohrn also was a contemporary of Aulinsky. Obama got his start in their home. Biden and many others were around then. From that time period, the universities were controlled by them and have taught a few generations now about socialism and communism pushing both of them.
You are a fool to be so illiterate about this. But, that’s what happens with progressives. They push and push to work together with conservatives until conservatives are sucked into their money games and espionage.

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It’s kinda what we’ve been asked to do. The Question, “What would Jesus do” is important in politics as politics controls what is currently happening in America and around the world. The Book of Mormon teaches not to compromise with evil. So does the Bible as well. The analogy really fits. Speculating that Father had many talks with Lucifer is a bit over the top, agreed. Anyway, appreciate your input here.

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Appreciate that.

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Interesting discussion. I was raised by a steelworker who was a high school dropout and a union guy. He hated Republicans because they allegedly were all for the rich. There used to be some truth to that. In the late 19th and early twentieth century the ultra rich like Carnegie, Morgan, Rockefeller tended to be Republican and they abused the working class giving rise to labor unions that gave the Democrat Party power.

The problem with the Democrat Party is that it is now the party of the elite rich. Elites like Gates, Bezos, Buffett, Zuckerberg are all supporters of the Democrat Party. The only Uber rich who isn’t is Musk and he has always voted Democrat until the party went off the rails in recent years and has tried to limit speech on social media.

As the years have passed I have been unable to
vote for a party that supports abortion on demand up to the time of birth and panders to the LGBTQ movement and doesn’t respect private property rights and is hostile to Judeo-Christian values.

If you are familiar with the Communist Manifesto you will see that Marx advocated for the dissolution of the traditional family, was anti religion, and sought to
overthrow the existing social order, and to eliminate all private property. Many members of one party verges on advocating for most of these things, sometimes subtly and sometimes openly. The other party is highly flawed but at least pays lip service to traditional values and individual property rights and religious freedom. Political parties are bad but one is far worse than the other. Washington was opposed to political parties because he could foresee the problems involved. I will withhold supporting a political candidate that is affiliated with the worst of two flawed parties.

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Very well stated. I simply inserted real individuals who are known communists associated with Democrat Presidents supported today by unions, universities and state and local governments. All backed by most Democrat senators and house Democrats.

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Aro,
Like you said, interesting discussion. What bothers me the most is that people like to throw blanket statements for some group of people or another.

Can you honestly say that all democrats are “communist” or evil? Then you would have had an interesting conversation with Elder Faust of the Quroum of the 12 who was fiercely a “Democrat” in his political views. Did he support abortion and Gay Rights (what they were called back then)? No, but for whatever reason he was card carrying member of the democratic party up until his death.

I look at people of political parties on an individual basis, not as a whole. I study what they “stand on”, not what the poltical party platform is on.

Even the Frist Presidency has said "Merely voting a straight ticket or voting based on ‘tradition’ without careful study of candidates and their positions on important issues is a threat to democracy and inconsistent with revealed standards,” June 2023

Why are leaders speaking out? One might argue that this is nothing new, since the LDS hierarchy has previously encouraged more two-partyism**. “It’s not in our interest to be known as a one-party church,”** one elder told The Salt Lake Tribune during a 1998 interview.

A better question is why the church’s top authorities are speaking out now. Part of the explanation likely stems from concern over the hold that Trump, and the Trumpian approach to politics, has on the Republican Party.

Hopper says, "We have been commanded to fight “evil”, Well let’s put that to the test.
In our current Republican primary, we had two choices. Both had similar policies, and pretty much the same views on foreign affairs.

  1. One has a history of mistreating women, being vulgar, has a lack of morals and pretty much determined to be a narcist. Who bends the law to do what he wants in his business world. Been known to default on loans.
  2. the other seems to be a good governor, strong morals, tries to work with people, does not bring a lot of baggage to the position.

So what does the GOP voters do? they vote for the person whose morals and behavior is not what I would call “good”.

Reminds me of the scripture where it says, “people will call evil good and good evil” Trump in my opinion is evil.

Is Trump better than Biden? Yes, but we had a better candidate that was a better choice and people chose the lesser option.

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You are clueless. Stop saying I’m or anyone else is saying all Democrats are communists. You are misleading readers that that is what I’m/we are saying. I’ve been crystal clear that the communists are the leaders of the Democrat Party including recent past and current Presidents. The membership are simply being brainwashed to follow their communist and tyrannical evil. There are also different kinds of evil as well. All you focus on is the weakness of morals of individuals without offering opportunities to repent and change.

Then, you bring up old Kennedy Democrats that loath communists. President Foust wasn’t a student and follower of Saul Aulinsky. The current leadership of the Democrat Party are the old communists who went into the educational system to get to where we are with DEI and approving and helping little children and young adults to mutilate themselves with the LGBTQ (transvestism). Not only that, to hate America and to re-write history destroying capitalism and conservative moral and ethical values. And, it’s infected Utah as you have pointed out. How did that happen? Compromise with the devil, communists.

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I don’t consider all Democrats to be Communists, however, based on my reading of the Communist Manifesto a lot of Democrat politicians advocate for much of it without actually admitting it. In some cases they may not even be aware of it.

I don’t judge people’s character based on their political opinions but for me personally I can’t vote for somebody who affiliates with a party that has the kind of platform Dems have. If they don’t support the platform they should change parties or become an independent.

The Democrat Party has changed a lot since President Faust was alive some 15-20 years ago. I don’t remember when he died. I have been voting since 1972 and their party has become extremely radical since then.

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The platform is as opposite the Church Doctrine as can be. You made great points.