So, you are 100% agreement with what is in the GOP platform, right?
So, then you are also okay with Trump forcing out the RNC chairman and replacing them with a family member and ardent supporter of Trump, Right?
So, you are okay with someone who obviously does not live according to LDS standards in either the way he runs his business nor how he treats women, and other people.
Now you know WHY I no longer part of the Republican Party.
Can not in good conscience support either candidate, they have their own pile of stinky messes.
You have posted multiple times this sentiment, Check for yourself.
the correct phrase is that you claim these former President were “Communist”, you have no viable proof to back up your comments. In your own words: “Where are your emails, documents, FBI documentation?”.
Your claims is nothing more than a modern Joseph McCarthy “witch hunt” who destroyed people lives based on pure rumor and innuendo and never based on actual facts that can be backed up in a court of law.
What does firing the Party president have to do with the platform? Nothing. Why did you spin to that nonsense. Aro is right, there isn’t one point in the Democrat Party platform that is moral or ethical. The way they have turned the educational system into the communist education system hating America destroying children and changing boys into girls. Why do you support this? If not, at least speak out against it.
I sighted “different” points about the GOP. I made three different points no necessarily related, but could be,
FYI, if you change the chairman and put in “your guy” and stack the board with supporters, do you really think it would be hard to change the platform?
Change the Platform to what? To what the Democrat Party has? She was dumped for not backing Republicans well enough including not being prepared for the elections. She also isn’t willing to back Trump who now won the delegates for the Republican Convention. Trump would only strengthen the platform to make America great again. Have you read the Democrat Party platform? Do you approve and agree to it?
I have been quite clear that I don’t approve of Trump’s character but there was nothing in his first term that indicated he was an advocate of abortion on demand, pandered to the LGBTQ and used his office to enrich himself. Biden is guilty on all those counts and his party has sought to curtail
dissent on social media. Like I said before I would prefer DeSantis but that option is no longer on the table. Between Trump and Biden it is an easy choice. It is unfortunate that we are limited to two bad choices but that is reality. You can vote for a third party or write somebody in as a moral protest. I wrote in Evan McMullin in 2016 because I didn’t trust that aTrump would govern as a conservative. He did govern well and appointed 3 conservative judges who have overturned Roe v Wade and kept the progressives from destroying our Republic. Biden appointed one judge who is so far to the left she refused to define what a woman is in her confirmation hearing. Our economy was good under Trump and his foreign policy record was clearly better.
Trump is immoral. Biden is a criminal. Trump has good policies and Biden’s have been disastrous. Give me a viable and electable third option and I’ll go that route but they would have to stand for conservative governance and traditional values.
And should not. If Trump and Biden got the same number of votes, and a third party conservative gets 10% of Trump’s votes, Trump and the third party conservative both lose and we have Biden-Harris. Don’t you understand?
Trump changed his stance on abortion when he decided to run for office in 2016. You can google it if you like to verify.
Trump is a criminal, not like what Biden has done, but in the way he has handled his business dealings. Again, you can google it yourself for verification.
I agree that Trump policies were good (at least most of them), but the baggage he brings into the white house, DIVIDES people, not bring them together. like I said, “in order to have a perfect democratic republic, you must have both sides of the isle. The key is that they work together for the betterment of America.”
In the LDS church, we have been instructed TO NOT demonize other people who think, feel and believe differently than yourself. As far as I can tell, I have not seen you doing anything close to that.
However, I have seen others do it and all under the disguise of “standing up to evil”. Even my own Senator Lee called Trump “Captain Moroni”. One reason I will never vote for the guy.
According to the Prophet, “You can find good in all political parties, you do not have to agree with everything in the party, but there is good in all parties.”
I respect your views; I know growing up in a family that worked the steel mills you heard a lot of political views. I worked in the IBEW for many years and those views of your family members were often pushed in the union meetings. I used to be republican, which made union meetings fun, but now I am independent.
I often feel like Reagan when he said, “I did not leave the Democrat party, the party left me.” I believe that many people feel the same about both parties.
I cannot in good conscience support either candidate. There are alternatives, third party, Kennedy who is running as an independent. or if the no labels put one forward. Not sure how I will vote this year.
Hopper’s reading ability is there, it’s just that his “argue at any cost DNA” kicks in and blows up any conversation.
I have been following the convo thus far and agree that when faced with the choice laid out before us:
1 to do nothing is paramount to asking for a Biden 4 more years (BAD)
2 voting for a 3rd party who is not a contender is the same as doing nothing and pretty much voting in Biden (See Hopper, I said the same as you, I just did not ARGUE with Reed- you can do it)
3 Hold my nose and vote Trump is not supporting Immorality, It is me caring about our country.
Floyd, everything you said about Trump is true and more. And when he is reelected, this nation is going to explode. So I dare throw this out there. “If the ever was a time that someone would murder a sitting president, this would be that time” In that scenario, Trump absolutely needs a viable VP. We all know if Biden were the nominee, who the VP is…right.
A second very viable possibility: the same scenario as above only the pres (Either GUY) dies in office, who is the VP. under no possible circumstance would Kamala Harris work as our president. She was insurance for Biden but now is a 20% , yes, that is right a minimum of 20% vote against Biden. and if I was the RNC, I would be putting commercials out nationally from this moment on about the reality of Biden dying and this is what you get…complete with here hideous laugh.
Trump may have been criminal in his business dealings. To the best of my knowledge he wasn’t a criminal in office. I think there is ample evidence Biden was a criminal in office as VP and maybe still is. I can’t disagree with you about Trump as a man. Many of his policies promote good principles. At least they did his first term. His motivations could be questioned for sure.
Many people change their stance on a lot of issues. Reagan did so as he converted from being a Democrat to being a Republican. He was pro abortion before being against it. Do you have a problem with people changing from immoral beliefs to moral beliefs when presented facts and having a coming to Jesus event? Might want to read the Book of Mormon and see how wickedness was overcome.
I bet Trump was pro-Palestinian at one time before family married Jewish persons and has a Jewish grandson. And as Aro points out, Trump was a womanizer as was Kennedy, Reagan, Clinton…but, since his last marriage, has he or has he repented and changed that as well?
To your continuous CNN hack job garbage that Trump is a “criminal” what crime has he been convicted of? The DOJ won’t even bring an insurrection charge and court case because there is nothing to prove. The only thing Democrats can do is get back the House and make a political charge again having Schiff lie more that he has empirical evidence that a crime was committed.
As for the classified documents, all Presidents have taken classified documents for memoirs to write their books. Trump has also not been charged with or convicted of a crime over this. Biden, on the other hand, has classified documents that he took since his days as a senator and as vice-president which are crimes. Then there are the criminal business dealings with the Ukraine, Russia, China and Iran with his family mob.
It depends on what motivated the change.
I know a lot of people in prison (I worked in a prison for 7 years) who committed crimes, who all of sudden “found Jesus”. Doesn’t mean they changed.
I don’t remember a single verse where people went brow beating people into being spiritual. The way they overcame evil is by example, not accusations or brow beating, But by love, or did you forget the part about “Love the sinner”?
Fish,
I will ask a simple question and would actually like to hear a response from you and Aro.
Question:
Can you honestly say that “IF” Trump was re-elected, that he would not go on a campaign of “vengeance and pay back”?
He has already stated that anyone that supported Nikki Haley was not welcome to the MAGA group.
That is what worries me most, Trump using the office to payback those that he deems “evil” for not supporting him. He would go out of his way to ruin other GOP candidates simply because they did not support him.
How would you feel then?
One last point,
The majority of American voter’s dislike Trump and Biden. There is a very real chance people stays home because “Both Parties” failed to understand the “not affiliated” group of voters.
Some cannot stomach the doodling old fool, or the narcistic buffoon.
I told my wife, what I would like to do is get a movement started that voted “None of the above” and get the nation to vote where “None of the above” got 51% of the vote.
Wouldn’t that throw some craziness into the picture.
I can guarantee it!!!
His first big mistake in office was that he trusted Comer and other bureaucrats when he should of done what OBOMA did. Cleaned the swamp was what he campaigned on and was totally naive about just how evil DC people are.
That is what narcissists do. In this case, DC needs a cleaning.
Questions for you Floyd:
Is the FBI compromised?
Should the Attorney general be conducting inqurries on Biden’s Son?
or Biden’s having classified docs.?
or Trumps classified docs.?
this sort of thing has been going on since the day we became an independent nation.
The parties cancel out, independents elect presidents. when you do good, you get re elected, when you’re bad, you’re out.
If that could ever happen, we would all jump in
We prosecuted the Clintons for turning DC into their own version of “lets make a deal”. Did it stop them from a 2nd term? Every single president we elect has done the same.
What we really need is Term Limits in Congress and the Senate.
And
the bureaucrats to be canned from time to time. DC toxifies everyone over time.
Do you know what Trumps reason is? Or are you just spreading rumors? Women who are okay with abortion often change their minds and beliefs when they see a picture of their babies inside the womb. Maybe that happened to Trump when he saw his youngest son’s picture. You just hate Trump. TDR
You missed the B of M point completely. When the people were wicked they had their come to Jesus events that caused them to drop their pride and wickedness. Gave them a chance at repentance and forgiveness. Something you won’t let Trump do. Did you let Reagan or hated him too? But loved Kennedy besides all his prostitutes?
Trump might go on a vengeance spree, but the thing to understand about Trump is that he only does a small pct of what he says he will do. He is a born entertainer of the sort you find in professional wrestling and he would be the quintessential wrestling villain. A whole lot of people are real turned off by that. I wish he had gone back to being a businessman and passed the torch to somebody else but he didn’t so here we are.
The fact that we are faced with the choice of Biden and Trump is a reflection of the collapse of our morals and traditional culture. The late Andrew Bartbreit once said politics runs downstream from culture. In other words people’s vote reflects the current culture. People choose bad leaders because they themselves are corrupt.
I can walk and chew gum at the same time. We have massive conflicts going on in the world and in America. I want someone who can stop it as President. As for my personal growth I’ll follow the Prophet. What you want is someone that fits both and there just isn’t anyone but Trump right now. DeSantis isn’t ready for prime time. He maybe bought and paid for as well. Trump isn’t bough by anyone. So, in those respects, he is more moral and ethical these days than his long ago past.