Two wrongs don't make a right

Sr_Burton,

Usually when we read something that we do not completely understand, we tend to interrupt it as something good and positive, unless or course, we are a negative person, which I believe that each of us are far more positive than vegetative and therefore, I believe that I totally agree with your message.

For me, stealing from John Lenin, I sometimes believe, not always, but sometimes, that the world would be a better place if we did not have the current type of political parties that do more to divide us than to bring us together. Like you, I believe that the river is wide and deep and plenty room for all, if we do not get greedy.

I hope that I interrupted your message correctly.

If you look at past revolutions, even our own, it was started with the minority taking action. And, in many cases, a small minority. The silent majority become afraid of the violent minority as we see today. The only republicans speaking out are Trump, conservative radio and Fox News. Everyone else is cowtowing to the radical left.

I think you meant “interpreted “ not interrupted :slight_smile:

You are presenting a positive hope message. I usually do to. But, the big picture stops me from doing so. The idea both parties are to blame for the violent protests is completely wrong. There is only one party supporting the violence and that are the Democrats. They have long sought to overthrow our Constitution. That’s what “Progressivism” is.

Harold,

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"do black lives matter. Of course… The organization that chooses to use that phrase…not so much. And the two are too frequently confused…pithy sound bites differentiating them are not easy.

I really like and respect your explanation regarding the BLM.
I totally agree with you.

For me there seems to be some good, and some, (not as much good as I would like),in members of the BLM, the COJCOLDS, all Christian, Jewish, Muslim,
Hindu, Atheist, and Agnostic groups. I see them in the straight communities and in the LGBTG communities. I see them on both sides of the political isle.

We, all of us, need to stop the current trend of divide and concur. United We Stand, Divided We Fall is the call for many that call for more equal justice for all citizens regardless of skin color, religion, sexual preference, or political party.

Grasshopper makes a litigate complaint that the LBM comes from a group that was
trained under Marxism. That is another bag of worms. None of us wants to buy into Karl Marxism. The message they bring, we should all want to buy into. ( Equal Justice Under the Law and Enforcement of That Law) for all, regardless of which group of citizens we fall under, as indicated above. This is a bag of worms that all Christians, regardless of which Churcht they come from, should embrace.

There were two autopsies. One appointed by the police, and the other was an Independent. The one reported by the police stated as you say above. The independent says that it was death at the hands of the office with knee applied to next, shutting off oxygen to the brain and blood flow to the heart and held until death.

I don’t believe that any of us want to live in a police state. I think that most of us would rather be proud of our Peace Officers than a gang with Pepper Spray, Tear Gas, Rubber Bullets, shields and clubs to stop peaceful demonstration, demanding equal justice under the law.

Yes, there were outside agitator’s that could care less about black live matter, and only want to bring about lawlessness, looting, and bring down our free way of life.
This is not who we are trying to protect. Catch them and throw them in jail.

The masses that are legitimately here to protest agains unequal justice under the law, are those that all of us should support regardless of our political party or any other difference.

grasshopper,
To make such a statement that the democrats support the overthrow our constitution, is not only nuts, it is totally irresponsible. I remember you in the past
changing the first name of Mitt Romney in a derogatory manner. That to, I consider to be not only nuts, but irresponsible. So begs the question grasshopper: Are you nuts, or just irresponsible,or both?

No, you are the one nuts to not recognize what is going on. I’ve tried but when it happens don’t blame me.

I’m 100 percent positive you interpreted it correctly and know where it comes from

I was talking to my daughter about this tonight and she suggested that many of the athletes may be for the phrase BLM but not the organization. Not a bad thought.

Ya, it would be weird for members of the Church and active being for communism.

I believe 99 percent of people are good folks, who view things differently from perspective, it’s the one percent that tend to destroy what most of us cherish

Well, I wish that was the case. But, there are 20% who are leftis and 10% who are white supremacists. And, a large number of Democrats are voting for the leftist in Congress and for the President. White women who are Millenials fornthe past 20 years have been brainwashed in universities to hate America and including black police officers. We are seeing this rioting and destruction because is withdrawing from the U.S. because of the current wickedness.

Honestly I am shocked at the number of people who are jumping on the “tear down America and its’ founding fathers and leaders” bandwagon because they believe the rhetoric and rewriting of history by those who want to destroy this country and all it has done for millions of people of ALL racial, ethnic, religious and every other group of people… ie. humanity. Yes, there are some bad marks regarding some of the things that have taken place but the positives far outweigh the negatives.

Anyone who thinks or believes better days are ahead because of what is going on today is delusional. If the country and the people who live here continue on the path that is being directed and laid down currently we will rot from the core and put ourselves in a much worse place than we have ever been in. If the change that most people seem to think they want takes place and the outcome is positive then it will have all been worth it. When I hear university professors, the media and politicians denigrating George Washington and Abraham Lincoln of all people, I am concerned that it is more about destroying the country than effecting any positive change moving forward.

The change in the universities as been progressing this way for 40 years since the 70’s radicals went underground back to school and became the professors, university presidents and politicians. They have pushed into the millennial’s heads their ideology. The last 20 years hard on women. What is sad is those so-called leaders of businesses and government are not strong enough and prepared enough to withstand the “white shaming” and blacks who are being called Uncle Toms. I don’t know if there are enough of us who get it will vote the radical Democrats out in federal, state and local elections. It seems the Democrats are all in lock step with these radical protests and riots. And, the only opposition party is the Republican Party. Yet, except for Trump, I’m not seeing many stepping up against this movement.

I hear rumblings of Brigham Young is next…….oh what a world, what a world.

Exactly Fish… what a world we are living in.

Gandhi, Mother Teresa and of course Jesus Christ (who has been blasphemized for 2 millenia) are next.

The real Frederick Douglass is my great uncle. He would not approve of people pulling down statues of Abraham Lincoln. They were friends–a friendship forged between a runaway slave and the most powerful man in the country, but sealed by their shared goal of emancipation and that every man should be viewed as equals under God. I know this is a sports thread, and I apologize for this, but hey, the guy is my uncle and I’m dam#ed proud of that. Douglass was the president’s guest at the second inauguration; at the reception following, Douglass was detained at the door because he was black. Here is what he wrote to describe the incident:

Douglass refused to leave. “I shall not go out of this building till I see President Lincoln,” he told them.
Just then a man who was passing recognized Douglass, who asked him to relay a message to Lincoln that he was being detained at the door. Not long after that, Douglass was escorted into the East Room.
“Amid a scene of elegance such as in this country I had never before witnessed,” Douglass wrote. “Like a mountain pine high above all others, Mr. Lincoln stood, in his grand simplicity, and homelike beauty. Recognizing me, even before I reached him, he exclaimed, so that all around could hear him, ‘Here comes my friend Douglass.’”
Lincoln took his hand and said, according to Douglass, “I am glad to see you. I saw you in the crowd today, listening to my inaugural address. How did you like it?” “I said, ‘Mr. Lincoln, I must not detain you with my poor opinion, when there are thousands waiting to shake hands with you.’ ”
“No, no,” he said, “you must stop a little, Douglass; there is no man in the country whose opinion I value more than yours. I want to know what you think of it?”
Douglass replied, “Mr. Lincoln, that was a sacred effort.”

A white President in 1865 exclaiming in front of a bunch of rich and powerful white people, intentionally loud enough for them to hear, “Here comes my friend Douglass,” then saying, again so they could hear, “there is no man in this country whose opinion I value more than yours.” Imagine the scene. The greatest black voice for the abolition of slavery revered Lincoln’s courage and character. No, I don’t think Douglass would approve of people tearing down those statutes or painting nasty epithets on them.

For a wonderful–but long–read, here is the eulogy Douglass gave to a mostly black crowd in Rochester following Lincoln’s assassination:

Again, sorry for going way off topic here, but we cannot ignore the impact that current events have on sports, and should not forget the great people of all races who have bravely fought for equality under God. Lincoln and Douglass are a great example of two very different people who found common ground and mutual respect without destroying or denigrating each other, and I encourage more of that type of dialog and mutual respect that is both earned and deserved.

Wouldn’t he have to be at least your great-great uncle? Even great-great-great uncle? Cool story!

Helen Pitts, sister of my great grandfather, whose house was the last stop on the Underground Railroad. We were able to tour it a few years ago.

Longevity is in your family history