Are you that obtuse? We were a #4 offense team in the nation to a team you specifically said wasn’t a good team. We should have scored 21 to 28 points in the second half. Mistakes on the offense caused our loss. How can you ignore the 3 points in the half?
That means score 50+ and not score just 3 points in an entire half of the game 
Against some of the worst teams. You always get so basic in your observations and analysis and never really see the entire picture of what is taking place. I know because this has been going on for years.
For the last time, I wasn’t impressed with Coastal Carolina as a team overall. Did I say they were a bad team? No. I have said in many posts that they are a good team but I was not impressed with their overall play. They won the game because they had a good game plan that they implemented effectively. BYU was outcoached and thus outplayed.
We had 405 total yards. They weren’t slowing us down. Add the first play of the game and we have 500 total yards. Add the bad play calls, dropped passes, fumble and we have maybe 600 yards. The offense lost this game. Not the defense. They did their job with the #17 team at the time. Give it up. You always try to put way too much into your analysis when accam’s razor works.
Well as you can tell-different opinions abound and I don’t really have that great of an insight as I was working and don’t get ESPNU, so I couldn’t view it after the fact. I can guess that when you give up almost 300 yards rushing, that your offensive possessions might take a hit, which was the case. I do like your statement about what’s done is done and get ready for SDSU, because not getting ready would spell disaster as the Aztecs are going to feel bad for us and roll over. Irrelevant was probably the wrong word, and should have been just move on
Your words are fine. A fan board should be a place where you can say almost anything you want, express opinions, give ideas about the game, etc. If the Hopper is saying THE reason BYU lost is because of their offense alone then he is shortsighted. Yes, the offense failed to score enough points to win but the defense also failed… to get enough stops or end CC’s long drives that ate up the clock and frustrated everyone. CC played a boring, deliberate game and it worked.
The games are played for a reason. Sometimes, the underdog pulls off the upset, and that makes it exciting (especially for the underdogs; think, BYU/Miami 1990).
Coastal stymied our offense when we had the ball, ran the ball down our throats, and obliterated us on time of possession and the game clock. They deserve all the credit in the world, even though we had to travel on short notice with almost no prep time. We needed to make adjustments, and we didn’t make them. Back when Air Force had their really good teams (Dee Dowis, etc.), we never had any problem with them. The option did what it is designed to do against superior competition in the Coastal game.
I think people were getting too carried away with visions of NY6 bowls dancing in their heads, and that makes the loss harder to take. I’m still glad we gave it a shot and went and played them, even though we lost.
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So much about offense is rhythm and it’s just a guess, but BYU never found it in the 2nd half until the last drive. My Son was giving me play by play by text during the latter part of the fourth quarter and from what he was saying, the next to last drive was critical with a 3rd and one that ended in a fourth and 5 and they punted. I don’t know what play they ran on 3rd down, but I hope it wasn’t that lateral sweep that so often gets stuffed for a loss. Big slower OL-take it right to them. I don’t know as I didn’t see it, but maybe someone can fill me in
Yes, yes and yes! Wilson was being rushed and wasn’t checking down as he should. Evident in the last pass. Had he gone through his progressions he would have seen Algiers wide open at the 10 yard line.
The hopper didn’t exactly give you the play by play on the next to last drive. What he is talking about is the last ditch effort to win the game, which fell 2 yards short. Apparently Algiers (sp) was more open than Milne but you know Wilson, the TD to his childhood football mate would have made for a great story. So, instead of throwing the pass to the guy that was open and winning the game he made the more difficult throw and came up short.
As for the drive before that I honestly don’t remember what left them with 4th and 5 but I remember thinking they should have gone for it because with less than 5 minutes left, punting was not a good idea. CC had controlled time of possession up to that point and even though BYU got the ball back they hadn’t done much in the second half.
Bottom line, whether the hopper likes it or not, BYU was outcoached in this game and they lost to an inferior team. It happens more often than we realize.
I’ve never denied there was bad coaching. I’ve supported this. The offense playcalling was a problem. We would be moving the ball with our normal running and passing attack. Then, we would try something goofy like two Wilson keepers in a row. Or, gadget plays. Or a sweep of some kind. Or punt when everyone knew we had to go for it 4th and 5.
I would be one of them.
It always irritates me when coaches out think the situation, but I see it all the time. In Atlanta the Saints pulled the same nonsense late in the game and were lucky to hold on and win. If it’s 3 and 1, use your big slow OL and slam a quick hitter off guard or tackle, if you come up short, 4th down becomes a much easier option, but again I didn’t see the play, so I could be completely off
When you drive about 90 yds in 43 seconds and come up 1.5 yds short it isn’t the offense. You can’t say that Wilson messed up by throwing the ball to Milne. He was open. Wilson had 5 check down progressions. Milne was #4 and Algers was #5. Wilson had to get rid of the ball because of the pressure he was facing all night. It was the right throw. Milne could have lateraled the ball to Rex but they haven’t worked in that type of play. If the BYU offense had 2 min to work with instead of 43 seconds they probably win the game.
It was the wrong move to not go for it on 4th down at the CC 48. If the BYU defense couldn’t stop CC from middle field then they weren’t going to stop CC after the punt. The real killer was the drive stopping 20 yd loss of our receiver running backwards 20 yards. When it rains it pours. We should have our tight end on the left side of the line the entire second half and chip blocked their unruly DE as Rex went out for passes. But again we didn’t adjust to anything except on the 2 point conversion attempt.
Jim, Zac went to Corner Canyon and Milne went to Bingham High… They met at BYU and are room mates.
But please tell me any time in any football game when the game is on the line that a QB always see the “open” man… It happens all the time in high school, college and the NFL
The thing I heard that really cost us the game was in the trenches. Noodle Arm Nelson mentioned that CC lineman were getting off the mark before the BYU defensive lineman got out of their stance.
not sure I totally agree, but it another thing to think about.
As I think about this game it is one of the top 4 disappointing losses in BYU history for me. The first was 1979 when BYU went into the Holiday Bowl 11-0 and ranked in the top 10 and lost to a 7-4 Indiana team coached by Lee Corso by 1 point 38-37 on a missed field goal that was no longer than an extra point. Everything went wrong that game. BYU was at least 2 touchdowns better than Indiana but they lost. Over 40 years later I still remember it. The next stinker was losing to UTEP in 1985 when it was the only game UTEP won all season. BYU was all set to go to a New Years day bowl game coming off their National Championship of !984. That stupid loss probably set the program back 5-10 years. The next one was when Hawaii routed BYU the same day Detmer was announced as the Heisman Trophy winner. That put a big stink on what was a great season up to that point. It was the 2nd year in a row Hawaii destroyed BYU in the islands during that run where BYU played Hawaii 8 consecutive years on the road and won the first six in close games. The Coastal Carolina loss is the 4th one because it cost BYU a NY6 game. It may be a long time before that window opens again.
Taking the game was a gamble that had to be made otherwise no guarantee of a NY6 game. It was a trap game all the way. Playing a good team on the road that also had a chance to make a big statement and taking it on 2 days notice and traveling cross country was a gamble. The gamble was lost. With a one week notice, rather than a 2 days notice, it probably would have had a different outcome but we will never know. I think if we played them 10 more times we would win 7 or 8 of them but who knows for sure. It is what it is and hopefully BYU can win the next 2 or maybe 3 games (if another one is scheduled for 12/19. A 12-1 or 11-1 season will still be a great year but not what we wanted.
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Can you explain the 3rd down play in that sequence-it’s the one really bothering me. I don’t blame Wilson for not hitting Algiers on the last play-only so much time to pull the trigger and the 5th option might not have worked anyway as he still has to make the reception-lot of ifs
I forgot about that -20 yard run. Yes, Wilson felt pressure on that last play even though he had time to check down to Algiers. We didn’t make adjustments to handle CC’s pressure defense.
Just heard Coach Grimes has interviewed for Utah State head
coaching job.
You are talking about the play that was called with 7 sec on the game clock, I think. Pass went to Milne on a 12 yard out when everyone was thinking there was only time enough to go for a Hail Mary in the end zone. That was a brilliant call by Grimes. Milne was within 2 steps of the sideline and got out of bounds with 3 sec left. Basically that play allows Wilson to make several different potential game winning pass routes on the last play. We were only 17 yards away from the end zone rather than 30 yards out. I think that play surprised everyone in the stands and on the field and on TV. Like I said, if we hadn’t given the ball to the offense with 43 seconds and 94 yards to go we would be in a NY6 Bowl. Just some minor adjustments on the defensive side of the ball would have taken away 2 TD’s and given BYU 2 more scores. We just have to make a change on defense. It isn’t a hard call. Frankly if Sitake would make the move he would have a top 20 team each year if he keeps Grimes. Every 3 years they could compete for a NY6 bowl and every 5 years they could make a run at the CFP. But we have to get a legit defensive coach.
The only thing I would say … and this is with 20/20 hind site is that Milne should have probably gone 5 yards further but that would have left maybe 1 sec on the clock. Those are the types of plays you practice for end of game senarios so you know exactly how many yards you can travel in a specific time frame. It is like knowing how many dribbles you can take in X amount of seconds in basketball when the game is on the line with no time outs and just seconds left on the clock. I was taken back by this one call. It was the best call of the game for Grimes.