Thanks it helps to get some sense for the last series, I was also interested in the next to last series when they opted to punt. My son was texting the play by play and he texted that it was 3rd and one and then it was 4th and 5 and I was wondering what kind of idiotic play they ran on 3rd one 1. He may have not texted me the right sequence and I was try to make sense of it. BYU has run the delayed hand off where the rb is running laterally along the line of scrimmage trying to make it around the end. Often it gets stuffed for a loss as the guard and tackle and TE arenât quick enough on the blocks to spring the running back. Sorry, just having a hard time envisioning the play. I dislike any kind of a delay on 3rd and one
Great observation and probably the best post describing just how close BYU was to winning and possibly jumping ahead of Cinncy and the playoff picture. Now BYU is an after thought and Iâm hoping for a lot of Frustration taken out on a certain SDSU team.
Needed just one more play, the sack to start the series still hurts.
BTW, I do not believe for sec what this writer had to say about the game
What went wrong vs. CCU? BYUs offense or BYUs defense? (247sports.com)
They miss the main point that BYU is NOT a top 15 defense, not by a long shot. We have played a bunch of patsies along the say that grossly inflates our numbers. Case in point; BYU played a ranked BSU team that basically had the opposite thing happen to them when compared to CCâŚBSU could not keep their offense on the field and BYU poured it on. Credit CC for their game plan and shame on BYU for allowing that to happen.
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Hawk: good take. Excellent call by Grimes on the out to Milne. A few of Grimesâ calls in that game drove me nearly insane, but overall I think Grimes has done a fantastic job. I doubt he stays long at BYU. BYU wonât pay an OC anywhere close to what almost any mid-major will pay a HC. Heâs not LDS, is not a BYU grad, has done everything BYU has asked of him, and has to know BYUâs limitations as an Indy. I have not met him but have some close connections and what Iâve heard is that Grimes is also AWESOME to work with behind the scenesâwhich is an important quality in a HC. I think he can do better than USU and hope heâs back next year, but I have to think in a year or two heâs gone, so we should enjoy his creativity while it lasts.
Iâm going hoarse yelling FIRE TUIAKI from the rooftops. Sitake is a great guy. He is great with the media. He is a great recruiter. He has made some great hires (Grimes, Roderick, Unga, Guilford, P Hadley just to name a few), but he needs to face that fact that Tuiaki is the weak link. Whether or not we ever join a conference, I donât think we can be a regular NY6 threat playing passive D. We never even DARED CCâs FRESHMAN QB to beat us. So sad. Such an opportunity lost.
Exactly. ALLOWING it to happen.
I read the 247sports article yesterday and was laughing out loud.
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The UTEP loss was one that immediately came to mind for me, too. The loss to Lee Corsoâs Indiana team on a shanked field goal really bugged my dad, but I was too young to remember it. I felt worse about the 35-28 bowl loss to Utah (the one where we got down 28-0 in the first quarter) than the Coastal game. Or, LSU, where we didnât cross midfield. Or Michigan, where we had like 70 yards of total offense.
Or, the loss to UMass at home a few years ago. Surely that is a much worse loss than Coastal.
Remember Beckâs pick-6 that lost the game to Stanford, when all we needed to do was run out the clock?
Or Bronco choosing to kick a field goal against Boise St. with a minute left inside the ten? And Payne shanked it . . .
âIlaisa Tuiaki is a good defensive coordinator, period. Is he Bronco Mendenhall or Nick Saban or Brent Venables? No. But he is a good defensive coordinator that for almost every single game of his career in Provo has had the team in position to win ball games, but the offense until this year has struggled to produce.â
Seems like there is a wide gap in opinions with posters on this site and the guys at 247sports.com.
Honestly after watching the game I cannot agree with this opinion. It was one of the worst efforts by our defense I have watched in the past 5 years. Our linebackers were nowhere to be seen and our D-line got virtually non pressure on the QB and made very few plays. In fact, if I think back on it I donât know who on the defense was making plays. It was like the CC offense just fell down after every 5 yard run. It was such a painful game to watch.
Meh⌠22 points isnât that bad. 3 points by the offense with our great offense is really what was bad.
I donât think either unit played nearly as well as it could have. I wouldnât put the blame on either. It was a team effort and I think taking a game against a ranked opponent on 2 days notice on the road over 2000 miles away was a calculated gamble that failed. Even as it was it was a game that should have been won in my opinion.
I am older guy (70 years old) who has been following BYU football since 1962. The games I mentioned were ones where the team had, or was having, a special season and one stupid loss put an asterisk on the season for me and they still bother me years later. A lot of other games bothered me but they didnât really spoil what was otherwise a great season so I tend to forget them.
Another game that bothers me was the 2001 Hawaii debacle where Luke Staley couldnât play because he got injured in the 2nd to last game of his career. BYU was unbeaten and again had a great year tarnished by Hawaii. I am not a Hawaii fan and the bowl loss last year didnât help matters. BYU beats Hawaii more often than not but they have been a thorn in BYUâs side for years. They really donât like BYU because Lavell Edwards used to recruit some of the best players in Hawaii for years and I think it rankled them quite a bit.
No doubt there was problems on both sides of the ball. Defense should have made adjustments. However, we were averaging 46 points a game and laid 55 on a ranked Boise St. Scoring only 17 and only 3 in the 2nd half suggests to me that the balance scale teeters to the offense as the main reason. Thatâs all Iâm saying.
The pity of the matter is that if the offense had avoided some mistakes or the defense had made one more stop BYU wins the game. CC made a minimum number of mistakes and executed their game plan almost flawlessly. They didnât want a shoot out because they would have lost if that had happened.
Offense and defense go together. If the defense is playing well, getting stops, creating turnovers, etc. then the offense tends to flow better and hence, score lots of points. BYU needed the defense to step up and make some plays and they just never really did that. Like I said, the linebackers were nonexistent and they typically lead a team in tackles during a game.
Iâm hoping the more we talk about this the more you will become enlightened and understand. I hope thawk chimes in too, I am concerned we will have to start paying money for his insight and comments.
They donât always go together. I was looking through the history of years of BYU and looking at the scores of the games going back to 1977 through the present and there are times when our defense allowed about 22 points and we lost. Then there are many times we won while giving up around 22 points. Sometimes we blew teams out. In 1980, we beat Utah St. 70 - 46. What happened to our defense then? That same year, we beat Utep 83 - 7. But, normally, when we give up 22ish points we score in the 40âs or 50âs.
All Iâm saying is this year, our offense has been really good. With 11 possessions, we should have scored 2 or 3 more touchdowns. There defense wasnât that good. Our play calling was poor and some execution wasnât up to par.
Hopper has again entered waters that he doesnât know how to swim 
in! BYU is averaging 7.6 yards per play on offense. So, the way to limit their production is to keep the BYU offense off the field. CC did that. BYU was 8 min under their average time of possession for the year at CC. 8 minutes is almost exactly 2 full scoring drives for the BYU offense. You can also look at the points per min of possession and see the issue. If you donât have the ball you canât score. Hopper will try to make the argument that the offense wasnât as productive when it was on the field at CC as it normally is this season. The numbers tell a different story. They were almost exactly as productive against CC as everyone else.
The BYU defense was giving up or averaging about 80 yards rushing a game. Courtesy of our dumb and dumber DC we gave up over 300. CC had the ball for 38 minutes which is more than their average TOP this season by about 3 minutes. BYUâs Offense didnât lose this game at all. The questionable play was not going for it at mid field on 4th down with 5:03 left in the game. The only other bad plays that can be blamed on the offense was the receiver running backwards 20 yards and our OL just watching him and not blocking for him. I saw a wide angle view of that play ⌠while he should never have taken off backwards there was actually about 25 yards of free range if he had received a block from either of our 2 lineman who stood there while he was tackled just watching. We needed a little of the nastiness of CCâs #94 in our guys.
I am tired of the offense being blamed when any NFL coach reviewing this game ⌠or Alabama or Clemson coach would quickly fire their DC and go on about their business.
AhhhâŚthe manipulation of statistics to fit your wanted results. In most of our games this year, we did have more plays and probably possessions. But, one game that the statistics were similar was the Houston game in which we also traveled to. In that game, the number of offensive plays and defensive plays was almost the same. 58-59 offensive plays. The points were also similar that we gave up. 22-26. We actually played more defensive plays in Houston than we did against CC. 69-77. Yet, we only scored 17 points against CC and 46 against Houston. So, the offense was much more productive against Houston than CC. And yet, Houston was on offense 8 more plays than CC.
No, the offense didnât do their job when we had the ball. 11 possessions which was probably about what we had with Houston should have been enough. Stats go in my favor.
Ahhh and BYU had 4 mins more of possession in the Houston game = at least 1 more drive. Do that or just give BYU offense 1 more min and they would have beaten CC. Courtesy of BYU defense.
Donât fall for it thawk lolâ:laughing:
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Or they donât. You are trying to save face. I get it. No, just because the defense does good doesnât mean we win or blow teams out. CC was simple and they werenât supposed to have a good defense either. We just werenât ready to match their intensity. Much like the Boise game last night at the Marriott Center.
Preach, Hawkman! You recall that Texas, a proud program like BYU, FIRED its DC THE SAME NIGHT that Taysom Hill and BYU ran all over them for 300 yards. They knew what Taysom wanted to do and didnât game plan for it or adjust mid game. Tuiaki knew EXACTLY what CC wanted to do, did not even sort of game plan for it, and didnât adjust, even at halftime. UT got it right.
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