Yes, I forgot to put the negative sign in. Fixed it.
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Why are you excluding 2020 and 2021? How big of you.
Again, do you ever forgive anyone? Or hold them to their sins from years ago, decades ago? And, are telling me no one else complained about a call you made? Even to your face? Come onā¦
Of course, when you put in the SRS, you see that Zach did what he should do against teams of less strength. But again, when it came to their upside talent, thatās where each QB is judged during their playing days and their combines as well. Zach obviously showed his upside and talent at a much better rating than any other QB during the past 20 years.
thank you. it is big of me
We arenāt comparing Zach with anyone else but BYU QBs. You always do this, move the goal posts. Did I say welcome back!
for BYU QBs in the last 20years?
remember your draft order is an evaluation of talent not the execution there of. that is why I say itās like preseason rankings. itās why I ignore this argument, because itās based on the assumption of what a person or team can do not what they did.
Not entirely correct. When evaluating players, they also take into other considerations as well. If it were so, then there would have been many other QBs recruited ahead of Zach. Leadership is one aspect of it. He was great in college but not so much in the NFL at the beginning. He made some mistakes off the field. But, heās working hard to get another shot.
Why do I need to forgive? I never took offense, I just didnāt appreciate that they crossed a line. Once the game is over, I forget about what happened on the field.
I do not have ill feelings about anyone, well almost anyone. 
Keep in mind that this guy flipped the topic from what BYU QB did in college to how Zach was drafted. My point was that #1 picks can fail just like 7th rounders, it all comes down to what they do on the field. Tom Brady is a prime example of that.
I didnāt move the goal postsā¦he did.
I think what Fernk was talking about is that the Draft is based on āassumptionsā of what someone will do on the field, much like what pre-season polls are doing.
What happened to the #2 pick in the Draft ahead of Zach? A bust, he is not even on the team any more.
I hope Zach can turn it around, but he has not proved his ability on the NFL level āYetā!
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Then why do you remember the incident? Heās a dad. Leave it at that. Heās moved on and it doesnāt mean his dad is a bad person either. ChiCougar is simply asking why the animosity for Zach and the Wilsons by Fernk and others. Why the animosity for Arod and Sitaki? Why canāt people be happy with a great year so far?
take these words back theyāre gross and I never said them.
Floyd, a few years ago I had a great offensive tackle. He was raw but big and a great kid. His dad was a former multi year all P10 player, NFL draft pick, and starter in the NFL. Know how many times I heard that dad yell at an official? NEVER. How many times did the dadāa former NFL playerācorrect me in the MANY times I was probably wrongāNEVER. My former OT now has over 20 P4 offers, including the big ones. That dad taught me a lot about humility and respect for the game. I personally have SERIOUS character questions about any parent who would get in the face of an official during or after a game.
I can only think one one thing worseā¦.cue video of IDIOT Ute AD charging the official DURING live play HAHAHAHA.
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Iām 
with Floyd on this one (ps he and I donāt always agree). Canāt compare a coach vs a parent in that situation. When that happens the coach is almost ALWAYS defending his tribe, whereas the parent is ALMOST ALWAYS selfishly advocating only for his or her kid.
Any current or former head coach or official knows that because itās lived experience, not something we just see on TV.
Still trying to wrap my head around this logic. The coach is defending the team while the parent is selfishly advocating for their kid. Maybe the coach is trying to advocate for himself because he lost. Or maybe the parent didnāt understand the call and why it was made and his sonās team lost.
When I was coaching basketball at a high school, I had parents who sometimes come up to me and respectfully ask me question about all sorts of things. One time, we were getting beat by 30 points to a team that we shouldnāt have been playing. Parents were trying to coach their kids and I simply said to the kids, Iāll bench anyone who listens to their parents in this game. After the game, the parentās spokesperson came to me respectfully asking why I said what I said. I explained to him the situation and he agreed. I also asked that he and the parents simply stay in their seats and cheer for their kids as loud as they can and let me coach them. He agreed and it was all handled without anyone getting mad. From that point on, the team jelled together with the parents being the best set of parents I ever coached. We ended up beating teams we should not have beat and won league.
One time, I had a parent come up to me after a game. His kid wasnāt playing as much nor was he starting. In the parentās defense, he was the most talented kid on that team. However, he wasnāt jelling with the team, being a ball hog and not at every practice. I spent an hour talking to the dad as we watched the JV game. I donāt think I convinced him, but in that hour, the dad sobered up and I felt the kid was safe to go home with him.
The first year I was coaching, I assisted for the JVās and the varsity. That year, the varsity went 2-26. A few games before the end, some of the players came into the coaches room and demanded the head coach resign. Didnāt happen. During one of the last games, the parents were yelling obscenities at the coach. The coach literally flipped them off. He was fired from coaching and quit his teaching there too. He coached at some other schools without much success. Eventually he took his own life. He was a friend.
Most parents are good. Itās the occasional ones that need to be removed. I donāt know what Mr. Wilson said to Floyd, but I seriously doubt that he cussed him out. It must have been a tough close call or even a bad one. Anyway, one that should not taint all the Wilsonās forever. They have been supportive of BYU.
Let me simplify my point:
I donāt know what anyone said to Floyd, but when he suggests he was challenged or otherwise confront by a parent at a game, Iāll respond with this: NO parent should EVER confront an official during or after a game. Never, ever, ever. EVER.
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So, officials are above questioning? As a coach, coaches challenge and confront with questions all game long. They have to do it respectively or get penalized. Did Mr. Wilson confront, challenge, or did he question the call? And, why canāt he ask? Floyd could have kept walking. But, he did not. He brought out the book and answered him. Floyd wanted to show Wilson he made the right call. So, was it a confrontation or challenge? Floyd or Mr. Wilson would have to answer that. I simply have a problem with officials not having to answer questions from coaches and others. It should be done properly and not as a confrontation. If it is a confrontation, then if itās a coach or player, there has to be a fine or penalty during the game. As for a fan, keep on walking. Officials make mistakes. Youāve officiated, Iāve done so too. I made mistakes. I let the coach know that if what happened, I did not see it. I was not in position looking at what I missed. I missed coach.
we are held accountable for what we do on a field of play.
The coaches have a right to āaskā questions about a call and has an avenue available to get officials reviewed by the league brass.
most coaches apreciated my crew for always willing to explain.
No parent has a right to confront me or any official in front of our cars in the parking lot as we are getting ready to leave.
BTW, that is why I remember Mr. Wilson so clearly.
If a parent talks to me on the field in a non confrontational manner, i was always happy to explain, i have done it alot because people get confused about the rules between the NFL,NCAA,HIGH SCHOOL and youth sports.
heck, some of the officials who do multiple levels gets confused.
hope that helps.
So, was he confrontational, yelling and threatening? Or, did he just happen to see you and wanted clarification? Inquiring minds want to know
You do know what the word confrontational means, right?
So he was yelling, cussing you out, puffed up chest, not letting you get into your car? Was that what he was doing?